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Bookworm616 said:
I'd never tell anyone to vote for Cruz. I swear that dude is a serial killer.

I mean, look at this: https://vine.co/v/ePgXdYEimDF

That tells you everything.

Honestly, the more this election cycle goes on, the more comfortable I am with a President Trump, if it has to come down to that.

If it's Trump vs Sanders, I'm putting my vote for Sanders.

If it's Trump vs Clinton, it'll be either Trump or write-in Sanders.

If it's Cruz vs Clinton, I WILL be writing in Sanders for sure.

Me, as a person online, will never convince you to vote for someone. You have to make an informed decision yourself. All I can do is advise you to look at ALL of the facts for each candidate and ask yourself why you'd vote for so-in-so.

For me, it'll always be: #NeverHillary
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Okay, but why is Trump a better candidate than Clinton? Isn't he more of the same 'ole rich, white guy who wants to deregulate and cut taxes on the wealthy? I'm still not seeing a tangible reason why he'd be a better president.

Book, please don't think I'm picking on you. I'm not. To me, discussing politics and trying to change one another's mind is fun. However, I realize not everyone feels that way. So, if you want me to chill, just let me know and it's all good. No harm, no foul. I completely understand.
 
Bookworm616 said:
You'd think, but let's journey back: the repeal of Glass-Steagall - helped form the housing bubble and subsequent recession, NAFTA - helped more companies send more jobs overseas, the Iraq War - we never should have invaded Iraq. Yes, hindsight is always 20/20, but the invasion was built on lies and governments not doing their jobs and vetting that Iraqi scientist. And, of course, getting rid of Saddam has thrown the entire region into chaos and thus Islamic State was born.

I came up with these without really trying. Yes, our country has checks and balances, but those don't always work the way they should and need to.
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I hear what you are saying books, however in all of those examples the President could not act unilaterally, Congress had to approve all of those actions, so to lay the blame only at the feet of the president is not quite fair. All of those actions turned out to have negative consequences for the country for sure, I have been saying for years that more and more Americans need to be better informed about all levels of government, but for most they just don't have the time or the resources to do so , or are easily mislead by the spin doctors on both sides.
 
Loki said:
I hear what you are saying books, however in all of those examples the President could not act unilaterally, Congress had to approve all of those actions, so to lay the blame only at the feet of the president is not quite fair. All of those actions turned out to have negative consequences for the country for sure, I have been saying for years that more and more Americans need to be better informed about all levels of government, but for most they just don't have the time or the resources to do so , or are easily mislead by the spin doctors on both sides.
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The only times the President is 100% to blame and Congress' complicity is glossed over is when they're Democratic presidents. GOP presidents can gut social programs, not spend on infrastructure, privatize public works, sabotage government, crash the economy and lead America into multiple wars of choice no problem

And of course, the black president is "lawless" and "tyrannical"

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Bookworm616 said:
27 Honest Questions for Hillary Supporters.

A must read...long, but excellent:

http://www.filmsforaction.org/artic...for-hillary-supporters/#.VwxjUgs732E.facebook
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LOL. That list is weak.
After the top 3 it's just a political hit piece.

If elected, Hillary is going to be held accountable by her base and forced to govern IMO as a progressive.

Otherwise they're going to cut her legs out from under her.

While Bernie-ites are jumping and shouting, someone tell me what has he ever done for the progressive movement during his nearly 30 years in Congress??

What legislation has he ever written or pushed to get passed??

Progressives need to stop worrying about whether Hillary or Bernie is the next POTUS and get organized about getting their respective U.S. Senators and congress people voted into office.

Without more progressives in Congress, Bernie will be even more ineffective than Obama, who at least had majorities in the House and Senate when he was elected.

The 'perfect' ideological POTUS does not exist.
Someone needs to remind progressives of this fact.


The MOST progressive presidents we've ever had were a Republican(Lincoln) and a good ol' boy Southerner in LBJ.
:smt102

Hillary is not the 'perfect' progressive candidate, but she's good enough and better than anything being offered by the Republicans.
 
andreboba said:
LOL. That list is weak.
After the top 3 it's just a political hit piece.

If elected, Hillary is going to be held accountable by her base and forced to govern IMO as a progressive.

Otherwise they're going to cut her legs out from under her.

While Bernie-ites are jumping and shouting, someone tell me what has he ever done for the progressive movement during his nearly 30 years in Congress??

What legislation has he ever written or pushed to get passed??

Progressives need to stop worrying about whether Hillary or Bernie is the next POTUS and get organized about getting their respective U.S. Senators and congress people voted into office.

Without more progressives in Congress, Bernie will be even more ineffective than Obama, who at least had majorities in the House and Senate when he was elected.

The 'perfect' ideological POTUS does not exist.
Someone needs to remind progressives of this fact.


The MOST progressive presidents we've ever had were a Republican(Lincoln) and a good ol' boy Southerner in LBJ.
:smt102

Hillary is not the 'perfect' progressive candidate, but she's good enough and better than anything being offered by the Republicans.
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SOME of the last 24 in that list are iffy, but not all.

And if you think Hillary is even a little progressive, then you need to get your head out of your butt.

She is the status quo politician. She embodies everything that is wrong with our current political system. IF she becomes president, NOTHING will change.

Nothing.
 
Bookworm616 said:
SOME of the last 24 in that list are iffy, but not all.

And if you think Hillary is even a little progressive, then you need to get your head out of your butt.

She is the status quo politician. She embodies everything that is wrong with our current political system. IF she becomes president, NOTHING will change.

Nothing.
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Agreed
She does all the obviously fake things that annoys everyone like riding the subway while in NY and drinking a beer. That's not your lifestyle why are you doing these things? It's bs political pandering and its so damn annoying.
 
I can agree that there's questionable things with Hillary, but there's absolutely no way I'd choose Cruz or Trump over her.

Looking at the field... I'd pick Bernie, but I have no problem with Hillary being the next POTUS either. I think she catches a lot of BS because she's female, and some see her as an extension of Bill.

I tend to lean liberal, and there's no way I can support someone with the values of Cruz. Then, Trump is simply a delusional loudmouth (and many other things) with a healthy dose of being racist.

That said.... My vote goes to Hillary or Bernie in the general election. I have to feel for moderate republicans as their one somewhat decent candidate has almost no chance of being nominated.
 
DudeNY12 said:
I can agree that there's questionable things with Hillary, but there's absolutely no way I'd choose Cruz or Trump over her.

Looking at the field... I'd pick Bernie, but I have no problem with Hillary being the next POTUS either. I think she catches a lot of BS because she's female, and some see her as an extension of Bill.

I tend to lean liberal, and there's no way I can support someone with the values of Cruz. Then, Trump is simply a delusional loudmouth (and many other things) with a healthy dose of being racist.

That said.... My vote goes to Hillary or Bernie in the general election. I have to feel for moderate republicans as their one somewhat decent candidate has almost no chance of being nominated.
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Really? How so?
 
The Dark King said:
Really? How so?
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Simple things that has been said about her such as being too emotional, nagging, a bitch. Even Carly Fiorina's comment about "unlike another candidate, she loves to spend time with her husband".

I feel that Hillary Clinton gets gender-based attacks as President Obama gets race-based attacks.
 
DudeNY12 said:
Simple things that has been said about her such as being too emotional, nagging, a bitch. Even Carly Fiorina's comment about "unlike another candidate, she loves to spend time with her husband".

I feel that Hillary Clinton gets gender-based attacks as President Obama gets race-based attacks.
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Bingo
 
Put a fork in the Sander's campaign because it is done. New York once again votes for the Chicagoan. I knew she was inevitable.
 
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That's really all you need to know here folks.
worst choices that I have ever had to pick from. I want to be inspired to vote. My last vote was inspiring. It is the only time that my vote for the president has ever affected my life in such a profound way(affordable care act).

This chick here .... just blah ....definition of meh.


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Hillary will sell the US to Saudi Arabia if she becomes President.

#NeverHillary

Illinois is a blue state. My vote doesn't matter but if I can make a statement, I will.

I will be writing in Bernie's name in November.

Fuck the establishment. Fuck the DNC and their voter suppression.

Fuck this rigged election.
 
Bookworm616 said:
Hillary will sell the US to Saudi Arabia if she becomes President.

#NeverHillary

Illinois is a blue state. My vote doesn't matter but if I can make a statement, I will.

I will be writing in Bernie's name in November.

Fuck the establishment. Fuck the DNC and their voter suppression.

Fuck this rigged election.
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Fuck the DNC and their voter suppression??

LOLOLOL.

Right.

If the Republicans hadn't done everything in their power to gerrymander every congressional district in the country, eliminate polling centers and make voters present 3-5 forms of ID to vote, there wouldn't be such a thing as voter suppression.

Believe it or not, Bernie's campaign has forced Hillary to govern as a 'moderate' progressive instead of a moderate 'republican'.

The base and the Democrats in Congress simply will not allow her to be the next Obama. She's going to have to be left of him.

Where did this 'Hillary will sell the U.S. to Saudi Arabia' crap come from?

This is what I HATE about conservatives, their projection of their own ills onto their opponents.

It was Dubya and the Bush family who allowed the U.S. to get ass raped by the royal Saudi family.

Remember it was Dubya who provided safe passage for the Bin Laden and Saudi royals in the aftermath of 9/11 to safely return back to the ME without any type of interrogation.


As for the election process, it's been the same way since forever.
The primaries can't be rigged because you were too busy to familiarize yourself with the rules.

Don't like the rules?? Tell the RNC to change them.:smt022

Obama outflanked Hillary in 2008 because he knew the game was about acquiring delegates in caucus states and not just winning the popular vote.

Donald Trump is the most unstudied and unprepared Presidential candidate in American history.

Who would think the billionaire candidate is running such a disorganized, on-the-cheap campaign?
Remember that bullshit Trump said about Obama having stupid people working for him and that Donald would hire the smartest 'sharks' to work in his administration??
Learn how to run a campaign first.lol

Trump thinks his personality is more important than being able to articulate his platform and how he plans to improve the country, in detail.

Building a wall is not a platform, it's an applause line.

A presidential candidate is not supposed to be inspiring.
He or she is supposed to be someone who has the discipline, strategy and negotiation skills to get things done.

Cheerleaders may look pretty, but they don't win the game.

Hillary understands what it means to be an effective POTUS and is not going to get rolled by the Republicans in Congress.

If Hillary is elected, Democrats running in state and national races are going to win legislative seats.
White independents are going to have more faith in following Hillary than they did with Obama.:smt006
 
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andreboba said:
Fuck the DNC and their voter suppression??

LOLOLOL.

Right.

If the Republicans hadn't done everything in their power to gerrymander every congressional district in the country, eliminate polling centers and make voters present 3-5 forms of ID to vote, there wouldn't be such a thing as voter suppression.

Believe it or not, Bernie's campaign has forced Hillary to govern as a 'moderate' progressive instead of a moderate 'republican'.

The base and the Democrats in Congress simply will not allow her to be the next Obama. She's going to have to be left of him.

Where did this 'Hillary will sell the U.S. to Saudi Arabia' crap come from?

This is what I HATE about conservatives, their projection of their own ills onto their opponents.

It was Dubya and the Bush family who allowed the U.S. to get ass raped by the royal Saudi family.

Remember it was Dubya who provided safe passage for the Bin Laden and Saudi royals in the aftermath of 9/11 to safely return back to the ME without any type of interrogation.


As for the election process, it's been the same way since forever.
The primaries can't be rigged because you were too busy to familiarize yourself with the rules.

Don't like the rules?? Tell the RNC to change them.:smt022

Obama outflanked Hillary in 2008 because he knew the game was about acquiring delegates in caucus states and not just winning the popular vote.

Donald Trump is the most unstudied and unprepared Presidential candidate in American history.

Who would think the billionaire candidate is running such a disorganized, on-the-cheap campaign?
Remember that bullshit Trump said about Obama having stupid people working for him and that Donald would hire the smartest 'sharks' to work in his administration??
Lean how to run a campaign first.lol

Trump thinks his personality is more important than being able to articulate his platform and how he plans to improve the country, in detail.

Building a wall is not a platform, it's an applause line.

A presidential candidate is not supposed to be inspiring.
He or she is supposed to be someone who has the discipline, strategy and negotiation skills to get things done.

Cheerleaders may look pretty, but they don't win the game.

Hillary understands what it means to be an effective POTUS and is not going to get rolled by the Republicans in Congress.

If Hillary is elected, Democrats running in state and national races are going to win legislative seats.
White independents are going to have more faith in following Hillary than they did with Obama.:smt006
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So, because I don't like Hillary, that makes me a Republican? Nope. I'm an Independent and will vote for the person I feel will make the best President.

As for your assertion that Republicans gerrymander districts, so do Democrats. And no, Republicans don't do it "all over the country". They do it in red states, as dems do it in blue states. It runs rampant on BOTH sides of the aisle.

120,000+ voter records purged in Brooklyn alone over the last 5 months and you don't think that's a rigged election?

The Clinton Kool-Aid must be really tasty.

And I love how you're blaming the RNC for all of the election issues. :smt043

Most of the election issues this primary season have involved the DEMOCRATS. Why would the Republicans care what happens in the democrat primaries when they're busy trying to rid themselves of Trump?

But, by all means, keep deflecting from the real issues and keep blaming Republicans. LOL.

Look at the post below for my answer to your Clinton and Saudi question. Btw, I wasn't talking about 9/11.
 
Bookworm616 said:
Hillary is NEVER the better option.

How can people justify voting for that woman when things like this are an absolute certainty if she becomes president (I'll copy the first part of this article for easy reading here instead of clicking on the link:

Even by the standards of arms deals between the United States and Saudi Arabia, this one was enormous. A consortium of American defense contractors led by Boeing would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to the United States' oil-rich ally in the Middle East.

Israeli officials were agitated, reportedly complaining to the Obama administration that this substantial enhancement to Saudi air power risked disrupting the region's fragile balance of power. The deal appeared to collide with the State Department’s documented concerns about the repressive policies of the Saudi royal family.

But now, in late 2011, Hillary Clinton’s State Department was formally clearing the sale, asserting that it was in the national interest. At press conferences in Washington to announce the department’s approval, an assistant secretary of state, Andrew Shapiro, declared that the deal had been “a top priority” for Clinton personally. Shapiro, a longtime aide to Clinton since her Senate days, added that the “U.S. Air Force and U.S. Army have excellent relationships in Saudi Arabia.”

These were not the only relationships bridging leaders of the two nations. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, the philanthropic enterprise she has overseen with her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Just two months before the deal was finalized, Boeing -- the defense contractor that manufactures one of the fighter jets the Saudis were especially keen to acquire, the F-15 -- contributed $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to a company press release.

The Saudi deal was one of dozens of arms sales approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department that placed weapons in the hands of governments that had also donated money to the Clinton family philanthropic empire, an International Business Times investigation has found.

Under Clinton's leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure -- derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) -- represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation, resulting in a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. These extra sales were part of a broad increase in American military exports that accompanied Obama’s arrival in the White House. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American defense contractors also donated to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state and in some cases made personal payments to Bill Clinton for speaking engagements. Such firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of Pentagon-negotiated deals that were authorized by the Clinton State Department between 2009 and 2012.

The State Department formally approved these arms sales even as many of the deals enhanced the military power of countries ruled by authoritarian regimes whose human rights abuses had been criticized by the department. Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Qatar all donated to the Clinton Foundation and also gained State Department clearance to buy caches of American-made weapons even as the department singled them out for a range of alleged ills, from corruption to restrictions on civil liberties to violent crackdowns against political opponents.

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton also accused some of these countries of failing to marshal a serious and sustained campaign to confront terrorism. In a December 2009 State Department cable published by Wikileaks, Clinton complained of “an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority.” She declared that “Qatar's overall level of CT cooperation with the U.S. is considered the worst in the region.” She said the Kuwaiti government was “less inclined to take action against Kuwait-based financiers and facilitators plotting attacks.” She noted that “UAE-based donors have provided financial support to a variety of terrorist groups.” All of these countries donated to the Clinton Foundation and received increased weapons export authorizations from the Clinton-run State Department.

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Clinton Foundation did not respond to questions from the IBTimes.

In all, governments and corporations involved in the arms deals approved by Clinton’s State Department have delivered between $54 million and $141 million to the Clinton Foundation as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments to the Clinton family, according to foundation and State Department records. The Clinton Foundation publishes only a rough range of individual contributors’ donations, making a more precise accounting impossible.

Taken from: http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foun...als-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

 You cannot possibly read that and tell me she wouldn't sell this country to the highest Clinton "Foundation" donor.
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This went largely ignored when it was posted on page 58.

Sorry that you can't blame this on a "vast right-wing conspiracy". :smt043

She's as corrupt as they come. But, I'm sure you'll explain it all away as being just a really unfortunate "coincidence".
 
Bookworm616 said:
This went largely ignored when it was posted on page 58.

Sorry that you can't blame this on a "vast right-wing conspiracy". :smt043

She's as corrupt as they come. But, I'm sure you'll explain it all away as being just a really unfortunate "coincidence".
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The Republicans have gerrymandered congressional districts all across the country.
That's why blue states like Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan have republican governors and majority republican legislative bodies.

Also, tell me the last time the United States didn't sell arms to ME countries??
This is a phony controversy and to complain that Hillary 'will sell the U.S. to Saudi Arabia' is nonsensical.

Those ME countries may be autocratic, but making them weak enough to be overthrown by radical armed islamists is also a threat to a the balance of power in the region.

There are no easy solutions to the problems that ail the ME and wishing for democratic regimes doesn't mean it will ever happen.

There's a line of thought the only meaningful foreign policy strategy is to try to maintain the status quo and encourage these regimes, bit by bit, to enact piecemeal democratic reforms.


Newsflash, the United States has ALWAYS brokered arms sales to bad actors.

Hillary Clinton's State Department wasn't the first and won't be the last.

It's fascinating that not one U.S. senator or U.S. representative protested these arms deals.

Was there quid pro quo going on between donations to the Clinton Foundation and some of these deals?

Probably.
Highly unethical. But not criminal because it can't be proven.

You're going to need a stronger negative argument against Hillary than this to show she's unqualified to be POTUS.
 
andreboba said:
Fuck the DNC and their voter suppression??

LOLOLOL.

Right.

If the Republicans hadn't done everything in their power to gerrymander every congressional district in the country, eliminate polling centers and make voters present 3-5 forms of ID to vote, there wouldn't be such a thing as voter suppression.

Believe it or not, Bernie's campaign has forced Hillary to govern as a 'moderate' progressive instead of a moderate 'republican'.

The base and the Democrats in Congress simply will not allow her to be the next Obama. She's going to have to be left of him.

Where did this 'Hillary will sell the U.S. to Saudi Arabia' crap come from?

This is what I HATE about conservatives, their projection of their own ills onto their opponents.

It was Dubya and the Bush family who allowed the U.S. to get ass raped by the royal Saudi family.

Remember it was Dubya who provided safe passage for the Bin Laden and Saudi royals in the aftermath of 9/11 to safely return back to the ME without any type of interrogation.


As for the election process, it's been the same way since forever.
The primaries can't be rigged because you were too busy to familiarize yourself with the rules.

Don't like the rules?? Tell the RNC to change them.:smt022

Obama outflanked Hillary in 2008 because he knew the game was about acquiring delegates in caucus states and not just winning the popular vote.

Donald Trump is the most unstudied and unprepared Presidential candidate in American history.

Who would think the billionaire candidate is running such a disorganized, on-the-cheap campaign?
Remember that bullshit Trump said about Obama having stupid people working for him and that Donald would hire the smartest 'sharks' to work in his administration??
Lean how to run a campaign first.lol

Trump thinks his personality is more important than being able to articulate his platform and how he plans to improve the country, in detail.

Building a wall is not a platform, it's an applause line.

A presidential candidate is not supposed to be inspiring.
He or she is supposed to be someone who has the discipline, strategy and negotiation skills to get things done.

Cheerleaders may look pretty, but they don't win the game.

Hillary understands what it means to be an effective POTUS and is not going to get rolled by the Republicans in Congress.

If Hillary is elected, Democrats running in state and national races are going to win legislative seats.
White independents are going to have more faith in following Hillary than they did with Obama.:smt006
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