Peach State Scholar
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And now Paul Ryan is retiring too? Trump is doing more to damage his own party than Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer ever could.
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andreboba
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You do realize if the GOP keeps having congressmen retire before midterm elections, it's going to all but guarantee a Blue wave in November and impeachment proceedings against Trump in 2019?
If you want to Trump to remain as POTUS, Republicans retiring before their terms are over is not a good thing.
Bliss
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Impeach him for...?
andreboba
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Obstructing a federal investigation. But don't worry, when Mueller's investigation is through, his case against Trump will be strong enough to convince casual political observers that Trump needs to be removed from the WH.
This isn't a court of law. The circumstantial evidence against Trump, his top aides and conspiring with Russians to win a presidential election is going to be damning.
For instance, Cambridge Analytica is guilty of mining the personal data of FB users to micro-target millions of voters with fake news posts against HRC.
Steve Bannon is a former founder of Cambridge Analytica, the company many believe supplied Russian bot farms with the FB user data to micro-target voters.
Jared Kushner is the one who hired Cambridge Analytica to assist the Trump election team.
And I believe there's a report that Trump's personal attorney, had a room he worked out of at a NY hotel which was the same location as the NY headquarters of Cambridge Analytica.
Forget violating campaign finance laws to pay off the dozens of women, according to Steve Bannon, Trump paid off before the election.
Forget about alleged money laundering for Russian oligarchs.
The Trump collusion scandal will focus on the Trump campaign hiring a firm to secretly mine FB user data and then giving that data to Russian coders to flood social media with negative propaganda against HRC.
Also, if Mueller can show the Trump campaign had prior info the Russians hacked the DNC and were going to post that stolen data on Wikileaks, impeaching Trump will be a cake walk.
Bliss
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Just dealing with the data issue...(have to go.. bbl to address your other points)
I've personally heard audio of a high rwnking female FB employee brag about the info provided of users to Obama. If l can find it l will post it.
Additionally, this is also Obama's campaign manager in '08 and '12..
Jim Messina: "We decided on the first day of the campaign to use data across department, uhh, because it was obviously the best avenue to the truth. And we ended up using data to inform almost every major decision we did in the campaign. And we had a singular goal to run a personalized campaign where you got a different campaign than you did, uh, all based on our ability to move you and persuade you to vote and support Barack Obama. And there’s 332 electoral votes that shows it worked."
I say again...no one made Hillary ignore visiting States that swung.
Loki
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I hear what you are saying Boba, but impeaching "and actually removing" a president is NEVER a cake walk no matter how damning the evidence. Bill Clinton lied under oath when questioned by a special prosecutor, then later admitted he lied when giving his testimony. That is textbook, to the letter, obstruction of justice, and while he was in fact impeached by the House he still won the trial in the Senate. The house would need to have a simple majority of republicans vote to impeach and the Senate would have to have 2/3rds vote to remove him. Those are VERY high bars to clear.
Loki
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The Obama campaign and Cambridge Analytica both gained access to huge amounts of information about Facebook users and their friends, and in neither case did the friends of app users consent.
But in Obama’s case, direct users knew they were handing over their data to a political campaign. In the Cambridge Analytica case, users only knew were taking a personality quiz for academic purposes.
The Obama campaign used the data to have their supporters contact their most persuadable friends. Cambridge Analytica targeted users, friends and lookalikes directly with digital ads.
Whereas the data gathering and the uses were very different, the data each campaign gained access to was similar.
andreboba
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One difference between Clinton's impeachment and Trump's potential impeachment by both Houses is that Clinton was still very popular among elected Democrats and voters.
Trump has diminishing support from his own base voters and allegedly most Republicans on Capitol Hill hate Donald.
Trump's nickname among he GOP is 'Stupid Forrest Gump'.
I think many Republicans would consider it was a net gain for Trump to be impeached and no longer leading their party.
Loki
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Good points all, as with everything it will come down to whether the Repubs in congress believe their base will like or dislike them voting to impeach and remove Trump. If it ever comes to that, there will be so many side deals and hidden agendas...it will be a mess.
Peach State Scholar
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Peach State Scholar
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I don't think their base will ever get to that point. Trump is always going to have his extreme die-hard supporters who will back him no matter what he does.
Peach State Scholar
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Yep. President Pence is much more preferable to the GOP than Trump. If nothing else, Pence won't get on Twitter and shoot himself (and his party) in the foot every day. Imagine how much more damage the GOP could do with a President who actually took the job seriously, and didn't treat it like another season of his reality show?
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Peach State Scholar
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Another day, another tantrum. Say what you will about Mike Pence but at least he won't have daily meltdowns on social media:
Thump
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When my 3-year-old nephew pointed to an overweight lady at the airport and said out loud "she's fat" We didn't respond with "well he has a point, she is fat".
No, we responded the way you are supposed to respond, we scolded him and let him know that you don't behave that way in public. My sister-in-law teaches my nephew how to behave because she loves him, and she wants him to become a decent member of society. It sure would be nice if the people who claimed to care about Trump would scold him when he acts like a cranky 3-year-old, instead of agreeing with his childish behavior.
No, we responded the way you are supposed to respond, we scolded him and let him know that you don't behave that way in public. My sister-in-law teaches my nephew how to behave because she loves him, and she wants him to become a decent member of society. It sure would be nice if the people who claimed to care about Trump would scold him when he acts like a cranky 3-year-old, instead of agreeing with his childish behavior.
Bliss
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Is that so?
So when the fat lady points to your nephew and calls him an insloent child, rude, heartless, a brat and he says, "But mommy/daddy, who is she to talk about me, she's 'fat'...
l'm positive your sister/brother would agree AND have a few choice words for the 'fat lady".
Are you serious now? Did you read the salicious bullshit Comey wrote in his "book". The crap he spewed in his interview? That the Dossier was possibly true when he KNOWS it was made up bought and paid for by Hillary.
He also tattles that Trump has concern over how Melania views him as a husband. All sorts of gossip crap. From the "esteemed"(my ass) former FBI Director?
The FBI D that the Left despised over Hillarygate? The FBI the Black Community distrust as a whole? Now you LOVE HIM?
Suddenly, because the President calls him out and his certain slimey vindictive Hillary-loving cohort agents that Mueller hired...?
You say the President is wrong in doing so?
In what universe?
Bliss
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I now believe if Trump was Black and was FINALLY CALLING out the corrupt agencies, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
If Trump was Black and was FINALLY CALLING out an end to illegal immigration and putting jobs and Americans first, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
If Trump was Black and was FINALLY CALLING out the corrupt leaders and countries who are bilking America and give nothing back, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
And If Trump was Black and was able to lower Black Unemployment, offered to send the Nat Guard into Chicago to break up the gangs who often hail illegally from central America, if he FINALLY CALLED out the Chinese and Mexican President on unfair Trade policies..if he said NO MORE FREE-FOR-ALL OPEN BORDERS, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
If Trump was Black and was FINALLY CALLING out an end to illegal immigration and putting jobs and Americans first, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
If Trump was Black and was FINALLY CALLING out the corrupt leaders and countries who are bilking America and give nothing back, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
And If Trump was Black and was able to lower Black Unemployment, offered to send the Nat Guard into Chicago to break up the gangs who often hail illegally from central America, if he FINALLY CALLED out the Chinese and Mexican President on unfair Trade policies..if he said NO MORE FREE-FOR-ALL OPEN BORDERS, you guys would be applauding the 'Revolution'.
andreboba
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Bliss, how can you believe the Christopher Steele dossier was 'made up'?? Which parts specifically aren't true??
This was opposition research initiated by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website with anonymous conservative funders, against Trump.
Once it became obvious that Trump was going to win the GOP presidential nomination, The Washington Free Beacon stopped paying Fusion GPS for their research.
We know that conservative hedge fund manager and major GOP donor Paul Singer was a primary benefactor to The Washington Free Beacon.
The Clinton campaign came in after the fact and funded Steele's research. So far, nearly everything Steele published in 17 memos has been proven to be true. Even Comey cites Trump asking him to investigate the Steele memo and 'prove' the pee pee part of the dossier wasn't true.
LOL. If there's no evidence that such a bizarre event occurred, why did Trump want the head of the FBI to investigate it??
Now there are reports Mueller has evidence that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen made a trip to Prague in 2016 to meet with Russian operatives, once again confirming what was previously reported in the Steele dossier.
Stop pretending Trump is some kind of victim. He's gamed the system his entire life, starting all the way back when he dodged the Vietnam War.
Trump thought he could cheat his way to the WH and it looks like he got caught trying to break our democracy.
If it's true that Cohen recorded his conversations with Trump, it could be the beginning of the end fo the Trump administration.
Do I believe Trump has political enemies on principle?? Of course.
But as is the case with former presidents, you can't smear them if there's no dirt to be found.
There's simply no rational explanation why so many of Trump's top campaign and administration officials had secret meetings with Russians who had direct contacts with Moscow and the FSB.
That literally has never happened before in modern American politics.
This was opposition research initiated by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website with anonymous conservative funders, against Trump.
Once it became obvious that Trump was going to win the GOP presidential nomination, The Washington Free Beacon stopped paying Fusion GPS for their research.
We know that conservative hedge fund manager and major GOP donor Paul Singer was a primary benefactor to The Washington Free Beacon.
The Clinton campaign came in after the fact and funded Steele's research. So far, nearly everything Steele published in 17 memos has been proven to be true. Even Comey cites Trump asking him to investigate the Steele memo and 'prove' the pee pee part of the dossier wasn't true.
LOL. If there's no evidence that such a bizarre event occurred, why did Trump want the head of the FBI to investigate it??
Now there are reports Mueller has evidence that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen made a trip to Prague in 2016 to meet with Russian operatives, once again confirming what was previously reported in the Steele dossier.
Stop pretending Trump is some kind of victim. He's gamed the system his entire life, starting all the way back when he dodged the Vietnam War.
Trump thought he could cheat his way to the WH and it looks like he got caught trying to break our democracy.
If it's true that Cohen recorded his conversations with Trump, it could be the beginning of the end fo the Trump administration.
Do I believe Trump has political enemies on principle?? Of course.
But as is the case with former presidents, you can't smear them if there's no dirt to be found.
There's simply no rational explanation why so many of Trump's top campaign and administration officials had secret meetings with Russians who had direct contacts with Moscow and the FSB.
That literally has never happened before in modern American politics.
andreboba
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If Donald Trump was Black???lol
BTW, Trump isn't Black, so why does he have such hate and animus for the FBI and DOJ??
You know what group of people really hate federal law enforcement?? Organized crime.
Trump and the GOP are actively trying to break the federal government. Who has Trump actually nominated for a position who was qualified to do their job??
Trump selected his WH doctor Ronny Jackson to run the VA, even though Dr. Jackson has NO PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE running such a massive agency.
Don tapped Betsy Devos to run the Dept. of Education, although she is personally opposed to the public education system and is a big supporter of charter schools, basically a money grab to privatize public education.
Trump picked Scott Pruitt to head the EPA, even though Pruitt believes we shouldn't even have an EPA and has never met an environmental regulation he didn't want eliminated.
There are multiple examples of Trump either appointing or selecting unqualified, philosophically opposed candidates to run federal agencies, not to reform them, but rather to guarantee they remain impotent or become advocates for big business.
That's not reform. It's self-destruction.
As for Trump and the GOP's beef with the FBI and DOJ, you don't attack the ENTIRE agencies as corrupt, or smear them with the false label of the 'deep state'.
You isolate specific individuals for critique. You don't destroy public trust in the FBi/ Justice Department because you don't want them to investigate your WH, so if they do find something you hope you've done enough to discredit them in the eyes of the American public.