the pledge of allegiance

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Sneakeedyck, Nov 20, 2008.

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should school have the pledge of allegiance?

  1. Yes we should have the pledge

    7 vote(s)
    77.8%
  2. No it is offensive

    1 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. I am unsure

    1 vote(s)
    11.1%
  1. Sneakeedyck

    Sneakeedyck New Member

    should the pledge of allegiance be in all schools?
     
  2. Moskvichka

    Moskvichka New Member

    Yeah, what's wrong with it?
     
  3. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Because it says "under God". :roll: I think it should stay!
     
  4. kuntrygirl30

    kuntrygirl30 New Member

    One of the many things that should stay in the school system...
     
  5. Brittney

    Brittney Well-Known Member

    I voted yes. Is it really because it says "Under God"? Don't most religions have one "God" or another of some kind anyway? And the pledge of allegiance doesn't specify which/whose God (if I remember it right, it's been a while since elementary school.) I thought it had to do with the American Flag and immigrants from other countries "taking over". Aren't they making Spanish absolutely mandatory in schools because of that as well? I thought it was something like that. I wouldn't know though, I don't have any kids in the school system and don't really keep up with these types of issues but I did hear about this to a small extent. Just, "Hey, did you hear? They're talking about no longer reciting the pledge of allegiance in schools." and I said, "What the f*ck?!? That's f*ckin bullsh*t!!! Are you f*ckin serious?!" and that was it. Haven't heard or said anything else about it until now.
     
  6. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Probably the atheists....
     
  7. Brittney

    Brittney Well-Known Member

    How many US people here can recite it?

    Here I go:

    I pledge allegiance to the FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    And to the Republic for which it stands
    One nation under God
    Indivisible
    With liberty and justice for all.

    Did I get it right? Gosh, when I was little it seemed a lot longer than that, heh.
     
  8. Brittney

    Brittney Well-Known Member

    I'm probably going to get my head chewed off. :smt070 @ me. But, athiests don't make sense to me and I think they're just full of sh*t. I mean, if it works for them, so be it. I'm not the most Godfearing or worshipping individual out there, myself. And I may have a different concept of God than most. It's my understanding that atheists are people who don't believe there is a God (correct me if I'm wrong, I encourage it, I do have an interest in learning always) but I think if they are honest with themselves, they'll find out that's not what it is and they do believe there is some kind of a God, they just have some kind of affliction or grudge. How do they explain our existence and the existence of the universe?
     
  9. Dex216

    Dex216 New Member

    I think it should be up to individual school districts and schools on whether to have it or not. I think too many things are taken to the national level. It's up to locals to decide
     
  10. Xerxes

    Xerxes New Member

    I'm an atheist and find it offensive, as I do the "In God We Trust" bullshit on our money.
     
  11. Brittney

    Brittney Well-Known Member

    Why are your an athiest Xerxes? What are you beliefs? Why do they put "In God We Trust" on money? Anyone know? Is it because it's American currency? And America is supposed to be "One Nation under God"?
     
  12. GFunk

    GFunk Well-Known Member

    If you don't believe in god, just don't say "under god". Plain and simple. I didn't. Didn't say the rest of the pledge either. As long as people don't try to force their religion on others, than why trip about it?
     
  13. Brittney

    Brittney Well-Known Member

    That works too.
     
  14. Xerxes

    Xerxes New Member

    I think of God as a useless fiction. For most people, at this juncture in human history, God is a useful fiction. Either way, God is a fiction.

    Existential atheist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

    No it is a direct violation of the separation of church and state.
     
  15. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Exactly. :smt023
     
  16. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Religion played a major part in our country's birth. You swear on a Bible when you go to court. If there's truly a separation between church and state, then why is it so important which church our Presidents attend??

    Like it or not, religion is here to stay in this country and continues to play a role in our government....
     
  17. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Yiish. Well, I'm an atheist. And it's not a grudge, I just do not believe in some sort of God/force.

    I do not intend to explain my existence, your existence, the planets' existence or anything else in this universe, because I'm way too unimportant to say that I think I have the right answer to those questions. I'm not a scientist, I can't explain these things properly.
    But what I do believe is that when you try to explain our existance in a philosophical way, you are looking at it in the wrong way.
    Things happen because they can (or possible because of quantuum.). We happened because we could.
    There is no logical need for a God, but I think that those who find confort in religion have the right to it, just like I have the right to not believe in anything not falsifiable.

    So no, I do not hold a grudge against any deity, entity, possible antropomorphical personification of naturally occuring force. I just don't believe in them.
    I respect your right to a religion, respect my right not to get your religion thrown in my face everywhere..

    (argh argh argh)
     
  18. Moskvichka

    Moskvichka New Member

    I would gladly share with Xerxes the pleasant experience of growing up in an atheist country, which included compulsory membership in youth communist organizations... churches being closed... clergy being killed... my Mom baptized me in secret for the fear of losing her job... If atheism is so great, why did it take them so much trouble to enforce it? I still remember getting down on one knee and kissing a big red flag as part of becoming a young pioneer ceremony at the age of 10. We recited the following pledge:

    I, a young Pioneer of the Soviet Union, in the presence of my comrades solemnly promise to be true to the teachings of Lenin, steadily struggling for the cause of our Communist Party and for the conquest of communism. I promise so to live and study that I may be an honorable member of my Soviet motherland.

    Thank God it's over! God bless Christian Russia! I'll take living in a Christian nation any day! Merry upcoming Christmas, which you guys were so lucky to grow up celebrating! Ho ho ho!:smt111
     
  19. scylla

    scylla New Member

    I grew up in a place where I could choose, atheism, christianity or islam, none of them are good if you are forced. Everyone has the right to their beliefs and no-one should be oppressed because of religion. :)
     
  20. Moskvichka

    Moskvichka New Member

    I think there are more important problems in the country right now than God's name in the pledge of allegiance.
     

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