I'm just about done with Obama

today was the first day I saw him on tv during my break at lunch that I just didn't even want to hear what he said, that i'm tired of constantly seeing him on tv.

he likes to talk talk talk, but never does anything in the end.

i voted for him, but starting to like what I've seen with conservative candidates, and I believe more in conservative policies vs. liberal ones.

like this health care reform, i don't want it. dont want cap and trade either.

obi's gotta step up to the plate, deliver on what he wants to do and quit waffling back and forth. if not, get the hell out of office.

 

The honeymoon is over. People are wanting results, not just a rockstar to show his face to the adoring fans and wave, which he does.... constantly.

Maybe Sarah Palin WASN'T such a bad idea..... (no "I" didn't...)

For realz though. Not completely his fault. The Democratic party is proving itself once again as a bunch of whiny babies that can't get on the same page...EVER!!! You literally have control of all sections of congress and still can't get an agenda through. I hate being a democrat. No joke there.:smt004

 

What starting to turn me off to Obama is that he is constantly wanting to be liked . . . even by the people who HATE his guts . . . the conservative republicans.

Royce, you don't want to even think about a McCain/Palin administration.

 

Did you know he has accomplished all of this in 10 months? Very impressive and ever increasing list, a far cry from "never doing anything".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-kept/

 

I'm very frustrated with the way that the administration has conducted itself as well. IMO President Obama does not at all resemble candidate Obama. With Rahm Emanuel running his White House, the Obama administration has slow-walked or actively hindered the implementation of a lot of the policies that were promised on the campaign trail and that this country desperately needs. But while I totally understand the motivation to be very critical of Obama because of certain issues at the moment, I don't understand anyone who is launching that criticism from the right. I'm sorry, but exactly what do you see from the elected Republicans on the national level that gives you the slightest indication that they have any sort of a plan to properly govern this country? They have nothing, NOTHING. Just reflexive opposition to the Obama administration and the Democratic party as a whole and a lot over the top rhetoric.

When the stimulus bill was proposed, they responded with their own budget that had NO numbers in it, a lot of screaming about how the administration was somehow both fascist and communist at the same time and vicious attacks on deficit spending despite the fact that they never once uttered a word of opposition when the Bush administration repeatedly raised the mandated debt ceiling and ran up the majority of the current national debt in eight years with their ridiculous tax cuts for the wealthy and preemptive wars.

In opposition to the push for health care reform, they have told nothing but ridiculous lies about the administration implementing death panels to selective euthanize the elderly and the disabled. When they were finally forced to bring forward a plan for health care reform of their own, they presented a nonsensical proposal that would do nothing but maintain the status quo and let the health insurers continue to discriminate against people with "preexisting conditions" and cancel their clients' policies as soon as they become sick. The most absurd aspect of the Republican opposition to Obama and the Democrats on this issue has been the fact that they have gone out of their way to denounce "socialized medicine" and even something as innocuous as a government administered health insurance plan as ruinous to the health care system and possibly even the very fabric American society while at the same time fervently defending Medicare and the Veterans Administration, which are fully functional examples of single payer health care and a totally nationalized health care system respectively. The debate on climate change legislation hasn't really heated up yet, but I expect more of the same nonsense.

I've got to ask you Tropolis. You say that you're against health care reform. Why? Do you seriously support the right of the insurance corporations to amass billions of dollars in profit by effectively denying people primary health care? Or are you one of the many people who has been convinced by a sustained misinformation campaign about what's actually going on in the current political debate. I don't think that Obama or anyone else in government is above criticism. I just think that it's important the criticism has merit, and the national Republicans haven't offered close to legitimate political opposition since they lost the majority.

I could continue, but I honestly don't see the point. I've gotten totally fed up with attempting to debate people who are grossly misinformed.

 

Thanks Loki. I forgot to address the "Obama has done nothing" meme that he echoed in his post.

 

I went as a Republican on Halloween too.:smt042

 

Higher taxes, Cap and Trade more spending= Job Killers

 

Once again, you are devoid of facts, reason and logic. Here, let me present reality to you, see if you can follow..

Fact; so far Obama hasn't raised taxes; he's actually cut certain taxes, totaling $288 billion for individuals and companies, as part of his economic stimulus package. It's true that passage of health care reform would involve raising taxes, and passage of a "cap-and-trade" climate-change plan would represent an increase in regulation. But both initiatives are staunchly opposed by Republicans and there's no guarantee they'll be enacted, or, if they are, what their provisions will be. As far as increased spending, you are ignoring the enormous role of the Federal Reserve in leveraging monetary policy to fight recessions. Lastly the actions of the 50 state governments can have major effects on the economy, yet cuts at the federal level often prompt spending increases at the state and local level, complicating the influence that government has on the economy.

There, facts, logic, reason, lets see if you can rebut using the same.

 

For those of you against cap and trade, I would like to hear why and what are your alternative solutions.

First lets define what cap and trade really is ; cap and trade would set up a market for power companies and other polluters to buy and trade carbon credits. The goal is to force them to cut their harmful emissions and lower carbon pollution 83 percent by 2050. I would imagine that everyone can agree with this is a worthwhile goal.

For those of you who argue job loss and higher expenses, here is what the NON-PARTISAN CBO (congressional budget oversight) committee has said about the current proposal,

"While critics say polluters will inevitably pass the cost of buying credits or cleaner technologies on to the consumer, the Congressional Budget Office says the plan will be affordable."

"For the cost of about a postage stamp a day, all American families will see a return on their investment as our nation breaks our dependence on foreign oil, cuts dangerous carbon pollution and creates millions of new clean-energy jobs that can't be shipped overseas," Rep. Edward Markey said in a June 22, 2009, news release jointly issued with the co-sponsor, Rep. Henry Waxman."

There certainly are a large group of dissenters, the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, says that cap-and-trade could raise the average family's annual energy bill by $1,241. House Republicans have said that cap-and-trade could cost consumers up to $3,100, a figure they say came from a Massachusetts Institute of Technology report. But the writers of that report admonished the GOP for incorrectly interpreting their work; intially, the authors predicted it would cost consumers about $340 annually, and have since updated that estimate to $800.

These are the facts, is it reasonable to ask the average family to pay between $300 to $800 per year to cut pollution 80 plus %, create new jobs, and reduce dependence on foreign oil? Also keep in mind that under cap and trade companies could still operate as business as usual, they would just have to pay more for their polluting.

 

I didn't really rush to judgment about Bill Clinton or George W. Bush until the end of their first terms. So shouldn't we extend the same courtesy to Barack Obama?

 

even if its something i disagree with, i just want him to do something, something. the only thing hes done is the stimulus. everything else is nothing but talk and no action.

i think obama should listen to some of these repubs with health care reform if he wants to do it. for example, i love the idea of crossing state lines, but obi will never do it because its a republican idea.

i mean come on, your president, govern from the middle, or at least do what you want to do on the life. you got the numbers, but still cant even convince them.

i mean,, come on lol.

 

and no i dont think the repubs would be any better. really would like to see a 3rd party emerge. i like what i hear from ron paul

 

Is that you Joe The Plumber?:smt042

 

Tropolis, you are wrong on this, Obama has publicly come out in favor of the concept of opening up health-care competition across state lines. He applauded McCain's version of if in his last speech to Congress and said that it absolutely should be included in the final version of the bill.

We can agree, that so far it seems the democrats as a whole are bickering and infighting WAAAY too much, they have the numbers and the majorities in both houses and the White House and yet they still can't find common ground on important issues and are playing politics with hopes of re-election instead of focusing on finding solutions to important issues.

 

you're so full of it

 

not really. i don't back someone because he's the same as me, which he racially is, me and obama are both mixed from a white mother and black father. i voted for him, i was proud america elected him, i agreed on points he has brought up. things change though, and i don't like what i'm seeing. i'll give obama the standard 2 years like every other candidate i've supported, but like i said, im about done with him at the moment if he doesn't step up and start playing ball.

 

Obama...like ALL presidents..is merely a QUASI-ELECTED POLITICAL CELEBRITY with no real power whatsoever.

Wall Street runs America..not Washington.

 

Well now i know to steer clear of some of these political debates. I simply get mad at some posts. I can't even respond...

 

I know it's not my Country But it seems like a lot of money to me, fuel and energy bills are high enough without an added surcharge, I personally think its up to the energy companys to absorb the cost of bringing there buisiness into the future and this is too much like the consumer proping them up.

On the other hand I can see the point of the it, whatever they do, I think your government should offer a winter fuel bursary/grant anually to at risk familys, it's the low income workers that will feel the pinch of this price hike aswell as one parent familys, it's easy for people with a spare 800 dollars to say its not much.
Anyone on a low wage should be protected from freezing or starving because lets be honest alot of people are living hand to mouth right now.