Prediction: Health Care Bill Will Not Pass

I could argue this on many levels, but I'm not going to derail yet another thread, so let me just say that's ridiculous. Ending a life is not always murder. Murder is typically defined as involving malice, and in the case of abortions that's not often the case. I would venture to say that malice occurs in very few cases, and that perhaps apathy is more prevalent. Additionally, not every one who gets pregnant is being irresponsible, sometimes it happens despite all efforts to prevent it. Ultimately I don't make decisions for other people, nor am I so arrogant as to think that I know what's best for them when I don't know their particular circumstances. Everyone has to live with their own choices, so let them choose.

 

I seriously love you right wingers. Champions of morality and human decensy. Then I guess I shouldn't jerk off as that's potential life as well. Stop it. A woman should have the right to choose and here's something to think on. If people didn't have abortions who would take care of all the unplanned children. Certainly not the thrifty right.

 

Espy is right, tucker. Birth control is not 100% effective all the time someone could be taking measures and still get pregnant. One common slip up is taking the pill and an antibiotic at the same time and the antibiotic makes the pill ineffective.

And then there is the age old rape dilemma. A woman doesn't wake up and say I mght get raped today so I better take some birth control just in case.

 

personally i believe the hospitals and insurance companies need to have a "come to jesus" rehaul...the healthcare bill should be written as if the government is going for broke...don't bend...quit trying to make the republicans happy...do it the right way...start from the ideal and then make provisions...don't start in the middle and then still make provisions...

we should have made michael moore president:smt023

 

Shit that's even a little to liberal for me lol

 

Yeah like "death panels" and "socialist" panic and vague references to Nazi-ism.

 

The dnc is a bunch of pussy people pleasers who can't get shit done. I don't like the right either but at least they stand by their convictions and make stuff happen. Why are we still waiting on a healthcare bill to be passed. The people have spoken so give us what we want and stop trying to be buddy buddy with everyone.

 

doesnt mean one should murder because things didnt work, but in cases of mothers life or rape now i can be more open about it but its used for more than that in the normal cases per year. and proud yes of being a right winger but there are democrats that support it too.

as for morals, people are trying to say that if we dont pay for health care for people(not just the poorest individuals) its a moral issue. so i guess the left wingers are moralizing too, when they talk about apartheid and racism and smoking and a whole host of things they are moralizing also

so we arent the only ones moralizng on issues

 

That's big of you Tucker considering a woman's reasons are none of your business. But really who are you to call it murder? You're a Christian, I suspect that means you are familiar with the Bible. You may have noted that 'Thou Shalt Not Have an Abortion' is not one of the Big 10 in the Bible?

 

Watch it, cogent arguments aren't the Right's strong suit especially when it comes to the Bible they love to thump.

 

Key word: "public option"

 

Well you can't say that a woman's right aren't a mans business babe. We have agreed that we accept that we are on society that's part of the social contract we all enter into by having a law abiding society. My gripe with the abortion thing is that it should be a private matter between a doctor and their patient. As far as I know (btw my under grad degree is in political science) for the last forty years the right has been all about limited government and the government allowing private citizens to make decisions that effect only their lives. Shouldn't that courtesy be extended to reproductive rights. Like if I as a man didn't want to have children it shouldn't be up to my government to say whether or not I should be allowed to.

 

Well someone needs to thump them with one. I tend to avoid discussions on religion, as objectivity often goes out the window the instant God gets brought into it. However, when someone uses scripture, or their interpretation of scripture, to incorrectly back their position, that needs to be addressed. There's a reason some people are put off by religion, it's largely because of all the people who twist it to support their own views, and people who don't practice what they preach.

Not what I said babe. I said her reasons were none of his business, I said nothing about women's rights. Why some people feel the need to try to restrict other people's freedom based upon their own point of view is beyond me. I would prefer it not be necessary to try to legislate morality, however it's the people who try to tell everyone else how they should live that make that necessary. Your reproductive choices should be no one's business but yours.

 

They don't pray for it.

You lot are the type to ask God for political support, not my side.

 

COSIGN 100%

 

Damn, I wanted to give you rep for this, but I can't. I agree so much, tho, I had to say it.

 

I stand corrected must have read that wrong. I do agree that too many people love to push their views on others especially when it does effect them. Btw I'm really dying for this guy or any other right wingers to explain why first trimester abortion is wrong but its ok for me tojerk off. In my opinion its still getting rid of POTENTIAL life

 

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As to your question, they see a massive difference between your sperm and a fetus. In their mind a fetus isn't potential life, it's life attained.

 

America's healthcare system and Obama postponing his trip over here is all over the news this morning....

The Australian



Obama delays Australia visit until June to ensure health reform passage




BARACK Obama has cancelled his planned trip to Indonesia and Australia next week after a political debacle at home over health reform has forced him to remain in Washington.

The White House confirmed today that the President's trip had been postponed to June, when he hoped to visit both countries.
Mr Obama contacted Kevin Rudd and Indonesia's president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono by phone to inform them of the delay.
“I'm pretty relaxed about all that,” the Prime Minister said on the Seven Network's Sunrise program this morning.
“He'd like to have a more relaxed visit than the 24-hour whip in, whip out that the last one had come to.”
Mr Rudd said he sympathised with Mr Obama over his difficulties in reforming the US health system.
“What's going in the United States is this huge health debate. It's massive,” Mr Rudd said.
“I said to him I sympathise with you on two respects. One, I've got a Senate too and it blocks most things I try to do. And the second is, we're trying to get some new healthcare changes here in Australia as well.”
Mr Obama's visit was to be his first as president and he had already been forced to delay it by three days because of his failure to secure the passage of health legislation through congress.
The decision to delay the trip again was made overnight when it became obvious to White House officials that the President still lacked enough support among members of his own Democratic Party in the House of Representatives to win a 216-vote majority by the time he was due to depart on Sunday, Washington time.
Mr Obama has worked all week on trying to lobby party members to pass a watered-down Senate version of health legislation after debate on the President's number one domestic policy issue has been bogged down for almost a year.
He had set this weekend ahead of his international trip as an arbitrary deadline for passing legislation in a party-line Democrat vote after the Republican Party made it clear he would receive no bipartisan support for a $US1 trillion bill that seeks to widen private health insurance to millions of Americans without cover.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the president was “disappointed” that he could not make the trip but wanted to remain in Washington to ensure legislation passed, hopefully in a House vote on the day he was due to depart.
Mr Gibbs said Mr Obama still regarded the visits to Indonesia and Australia as important. Dr Yudhoyono and Mr Rudd had both understood that it was important for Mr Obama to “see through” the health legislation.
The President is not required to stay in Washington for the vote, but wants the opportunity to lobby wavering Democrats after staked so much of his political authority on passing health reform.
Mr Obama's second delay of the Asia-Pacific trip - this time by three months - is a matter of considerable embarrassment to the White House. It will further boost a belief among Republicans that they have gained the political ascendancy in the lead-up to mid-term congressional elections in November.
Republican leaders will use the trip cancellation to argue that the White House is dithering and should scrap health legislation and instead concentrate on the economy and jobs.
Democrats who are still uncertain about passing the President's preferred legislation could now be tempted to drag out proceedings after raising objections to a revised procedure used for the congress vote, government funding for abortions and the lack of a publicly-funded health insurance scheme that was proposed in an earlier version of house legislation.
Mr Gibbs said that Mr Obama still believed he and House speaker Nancy Pelosi could muster enough votes to pass health legislation.
He said the decision to delay the trip was announced today so that Mr Obama was not at risk of having to tell his counterparts in Indonesia and Australia just hours before he was due to leave on Sunday that another delay of a few days may be necessary.
“That would cause some problems . . . in just common sense and manners,” Mr Gibbs said.
By postponing the trip to June, Mr Obama's timetable now returns to the earlier proposed timing for a trip to Indonesia. It may mean that he is able to spent more time in both Indonesia and Australia after last week's s first delay of the trip led to a rushed revised schedule that compressed his visit.
After almost 2 1/2 days in Indonesia, Mr Obama's visit to Australia was reduced to an overnight stay in Canberra. A proposed visit to Sydney was cancelled and the President's wife, Michelle, and daughters Malia and Sasha were to no longer accompany him as originally planned.
Mr Gibbs did not rule out today that Mr Obama's postponed trip now set down for June could include other countries besides Indonesia and Australia. The timetable in June at his children's private school means they could accompanying him.
The White House spokesman rebuffed media questions today about the possible implication that delaying the trip showed how the President was concerned more about domestic issues than foreign relations.
Mr Obama was to travel to Indonesia at the personal invitation of Dr Yudhoyono and his visit, when it occurs, will include the signing of a new co-operation agreement on economic ties and other issues.
After visiting Indonesia, he was to have travelled to Canberra for a dinner and bilateral talks with Mr Rudd, an address to a joint sitting of the Australian parliament and to commemorate the 70th anniversary of diplomatic ties between the US and Australia.
- with Joe Kelly

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...h-reform-passage/story-e6frgczf-1225842637069

 

Oh yeah then take the fetus out of the woman and have it breathe on it's own. Logic!