I beg to differ fam. Back when China was a third world country their students were kicking our asses with far less resources. We are a lazy country who will do anything except work hard to achieve goals.
I don't quite get your differ since it pretty much agrees with what I said which is the quality is what is the problem.
The Chinese had poor quality but in a lot more time than everyone. It's not quality as much as discipline.
No matter how much discipline you have, you will still need good quality. The chinese put in a quality education system. I don't think it out ranks us though.
Are you crazy? They definitely out perform us. Its like the difference between public schools and catholic schools here in NY. The catholic schools require tuition but pay their teachers very little. Public schools pay their teachers pretty well. In NYC you can make 60 grand after 5 years which is much better than most catholic schools in this area. Better pay for teachers usually means better quality teachers, they give incentive to those from good teaching colleges to work for them. Unfortunately the parents don't care as much and the kids are unruly. Now in catholic schools they have less money since they aren't government funded and as a result usually get a lot of first year teachers and priests and nuns to teach. They have a high turnover rate of non clergy teachers which results in lower quality teachers yet they out perform the public schools. Why? Because the catholic schools have far more discpline and the actual threat of expolusion. The graduation rate for kids who attend catholic school in my area is 99 percent in comparison to 70 percent for public school. It's just a better deal unless you live in an affluent area.
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A Korean student told me recently that it's expected of him from his family to be better than his parents's generation. He told me his mother was the taskmaster in his family to make him do his homework and to do extremely well in school. It's expected. He said in Korea, the Korean woman, the mother is the national leaders of Korea. How different are our cultures. I'm more convinced that you have to be engaged in the learning process to be a success. You have to want to learn. You have to love learning. I' meeting more asians (mostly Koreans) here from Korea who knows more about American history than Americans living here. With there deep respect for the elders and the intense life style of martial arts in their culture to learn I'm very impress with these people. Compare cultures with someone you know from another country who are here studying and learning here in America. Most of the top students here in the engineering schools in Virginia are from Asia.
yeah foriegn countries are big on education. a study was done when the pisa exams were released and it stated if america increased their test scores by 25 points they can get about 41 trillion dollars in their economy
schools suffering from the bad economy http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110525/ap_on_re_us/us_broken_budgets_struggling_schools
The federal government should not take take a leadership role at all. I favor state and local control. I believe that a good education begins at home not in Congress. National debates are too slow moving to deal with the seriousness of the problem. Communities differ to a degree that make it problematic for any Pres. to dictate what would be good for all. This is not China, nor Korea, nor India our culture is nothing like theirs. Our nation is still very young and increasingly diverse.
While I agree education starts at home, I also believe it doesn't start at a federal or state control. If we were to do it at a local sectin then yes but I doubt the governor knows what is going on in many of the schools.
I would prefer to keep the state out of it as well but, do to funding needs the state will have a say. The lack of an adequate tax base will be a problem for some counties, Burroughs and municipalities. But I do agree with you. Politicians should not control our schools.
Enter the Federal government As the states can't afford it and the federal government gives money to the states.
True. I think it was Reagan that wanted to get rid of the Department of Education and make states increase taxes themselves in order to finance their own education systems. Nice political move--cut Federal taxes and make Governors get the blame for raising taxes or force them to cut state services. In order to say 'I cut taxes'.
Education Reform If I were president, I'd declare the seat a Monarchy, have everybody who disagreed with the moved incarcerated or executed.... lmbao Seriously, education in the US is rife with disparities. Many of you have already addressed one of the primary problems - funding... The news is full of articles about city and state budget deficits that have resulted in teacher lay-offs and school program cutbacks. Taxes have long been the primary source of revenue for federal, state, and local governments and yet, every year, there are increasing numbers of cities and states announcing budget shortfalls driving dire measures like cutbacks, layoffs, and referendums asking the public to choose the least evil poison pill to swallow. If you read the business pages, corporations are posting mind boggling profits and giving top level management hefty bonuses while paying little or no tax... General Electric is making money thru the roof: http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/earnings/2011-04-21-ge-general-electric-earnings.htm , but John Q public didn't vocally seem to say anything when it was revealed that despite gargantuan earnings, GE didn't pay a cent in taxes in 2010... And then there are those state run lotteries that claim some portion of the proceeds go to that state's education fund. The irony of these lotteries is the jackpots that are easily over $1 million weekly and ticket sales gross at least twice the prize being paid out, but there's still no money before the fiscal year is up... There's no consensus on what constitutes a "good" education, a good program (graduate ratios? college admissions rates??? test scores???) or even what should be taught in our schools, but there is plenty of blame game and bickering whenever a proposal is brought to the stage. (Should sex/ed be taught at school... Creationism vs Darwinism... Sports vs fine arts... Should my tax dollars go toward helping another community...) For every program that can be considered a success story, there are at least three horror stories of failing programs. Here's one: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=3&islist=true&id=3&d=06-17-2011 Any solution brought to the floor will undoubtedly meet opposition from some group or groups who endorse another idea or a different agenda. That's why, if elected, I would consider declaring the presidency a monarchy...:smt033
Quoted out of a thread that died down. Lets keep this topic alive for the sake of people who are getting educated.
I'd gut these charter schools one time if I were president. There's a cure, not a solution to the educational disparities in our system.
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