'Touche' TreePixie LOL! indeed. On the subject, Yeah outsourcing is a jobkiller; I've seen it at my job. This is all I'll comment on this subject because, I've never really like political subjects because, it never ends and can go on in on, with no solution. Also, I'm pretty ignorent on a lot of political subjects. I like the FairTax - and hope it gets passed some day - but, I'm pretty liberal on a lot of other things. Anyway, I'm out.
Outsourcing: Drives down expenses for businesses, but lowers the means for a country to continue and the cause of increased unemployment. Shipping businesses overseas to score maximum profit undermines the purpose to driving the native economy into greater fervor. Whether companies should be allowed to outsource is debatable depending on personal opinion. I don't think punishing would do any good since it'll drive them out altogether. Rather, reward the comapnies who hire American only workers. Such rewards like tax breaks and incentives would suffice.
There's validity to what you're saying however, Americans need to wake up and realize that these corporations that outsource, aren't the only options for us. If Coca-Cola for instance wants to outsource it's manufacturing the way they do that's their choice but we as Americans also have a choice, why not boycott Coke? When they start to lose huge amounts of market share, they will be forced to make a choice. Either stop outsourcing and engage American labor or, lose thier bread and butter market and face bankruptcy. What choice do you think they will make?
That takes major commitment and organization. I can't remember the last time I saw a successful product boycott, besides the Dixie Chicks.
It's called having perspective. No one is saying open the doors to ALL of Latin America, but let's not act like the good ol' U.S. of A was gift wrapped to all of us pious, righteous Americans by the Good Lord himself. Our forefathers TOOK what they wanted and gave a big FUCK YOU to anyone who got in their way. That's this nation's legacy. That's the truth. How many times have you heard the story of the massacre at Little Big Horn where the honorable General George Custer met his demise at the evil hand of Crazy Horse and his Indian braves?? Um, Custer was the bad guy. The U.S. Calvary was engaged in another military campaign of Westward expansion that demanded we remove Native American tribes from their land.....because we WANTED IT for ourselves.:smt071 You can't form a coherent and rational immigration policy unless you acknowledge this nation's blood-soaked past. Doesn't mean you love the country any less, but let's be real about EVERYTHING.
What causes outsourcing are businesses getting around taxation, insane government regulations and organized labor unions. As long as taxes to do business are high, government regulations tie business hands and labor unions causing the cost of labor to soar, big business will take their jobs elsewhere in the world were there are tax havens, no burdensome regulations and where labor is cheap with highly motivated people to work.
THe effective tax rate U.S. corporations pay is one of the lowest in the modern world. Realize that GE paid NO federal taxes this past spring because of loopholes. NO U.S. CORPORATION pays their full share of federal taxes. What insane regulations are crippling American businesses? You mean the ones that protect clean air and water, or those that insure worker safety?? Like Obama said, we shouldn't be in a race to the bottom with China. We should set the standard for what's accepted in any industry. Too many of you are repeating lobbyist talking points instead of using common sense. U.S. corporations go abroad to set up their manufacturing because they can pay SLAVE LABOR wages to a 3rd world working class. THat's were this boost in corporate profit is coming from, the savings they're making on labor costs. America without a middle class will be on the verge of a 2nd Civil War. If CEOs paid themselves a little less and cut share holder dividends more, there would be enough for the fat cats to still be rich and for labor to still earn a living middle class wage. The inequality in wages compared to the 1970s between labor and upper level management is criminal.
I wasn't going to say anything but, some of the stuff your saying isn't sounding right. I agree with you about the inequality in wages. I don't agree when you talk about cutting share holder dividends. Sharholders invest their own money in these companies so, they are going to expect dividends. When a company goes public that's how it works. If they cut back dividends some investors may pull out and, take their money elsewhere, thus hurting the business. If the business is hurt so are the employees. I agree that some of these CEO's could take a paycut but, I don't think they should be obligated to. Running a business and being successful at it is not easy, especially when first starting out. I admire anyone who had built themselves up from nothing and became successful. I think the best way is to never go public but, I'm sure there is a reason companies feel they have to. I use to think the same way a lot of you do until I started understanding a little bit of how business works. Their are a lot of things to account for that the average employee doesn't see.
My only point is that for huge Fortune 500 companies, historically there's a greater inequality of wealth now than there's ever been between CEO salaries and those of a given company's average worker. In 1978, the pay of the average CEO was 35 times more than the average employee. In 1989 CEO compensation grew to 71 times the average worker's pay. By 2000, CEOs were paid 525 times more than the average worker and though most of the last decade that number was 300+ times more. After the recent Market crash, that ratio fell to 263 times more than the average worker. Notice the trend; as companies become more profitable, that revenue is not equally distributed with most of the benefits accruing to those at the top of corporations. Yes we all dream and aspire to be rich but for the country as a whole, when middle class incomes are either stagnant or falling as CEO and shareholder dividend continues to rise, that intractable income inequality is detrimental to the long term economic health of the country. People cry about the onerous taxation and regulatory policies that are preventing American businesses from prospering, yet these same people seem not to realize that corporate America is sitting on nearly TWO TRILLION dollars in profit they refuse to re-patriate and invest back in the U.S. Income inequality is a HUGE part of the reason this country is deep in the hole, and our economy can't be sustained with the rich getting richer and everyone else fighting over crumbs. Study your history. Look at the French Revolution. Obscene greed at the top, ill advised military adventures, incompetent leadership, economic collapse follows and the ruling class is overturned.
I didn't quite fully expressed my personal proposal. The general overview was pretty much laid out, hence Coca-Cola wouldn't get any tax break rewards. Boycotting wouldn't be a bad idea, but you have to remember, it's a global product, so the idea of that would have to be tossed out the window since the sales of Coke won't drop immensely. Their product will continue to sell elsewhere. This is where the rewards come in for pushing all their manufacturing and labor skills in the US.
Fair enough. I guess a lot of my opinions are based on what I've experienced and, how hard you have to work to make a business thrive, especially a small business. Like I've said before, I don't know a whole lot about politics. About 90% of my co-workers are conservative WM's. Most of them are pretty cool and, good people but, they always jump at the chance at talking politics with me (even though I really don't want to). They make valid points sometime and, always joke with me; saying they're going to turn me into a conservative sooner or later. If they were able to ever talk to some of you, I'd just get by popcorn ready because, it would be good LOL!! Anyway, I understand your point.
I know where you are coming from Bro. I'm in a similar situation. The white males where I work are trying to convert me into their brand of a conservative. They are good guys. We have very simulating conversations. Sometimes heated. I love to debate. I take it to them. I'm surprise how much they know on the issues and I let them know where I stand. I'm not afraid to speak my mind on any issue. If I do not know something I say so and no bullshit with me. I do not have time to just talk sports and entertainment. If that becomes the case find someone else. I think I get along with these guys because I do not bullshit. I'm serious, perhaps too serious and I expect you to have a solution in your mind to a problem and know what the hell you are talking about regardless of color. I sometimes get the feeling that they do not expect a black man to be conversive on certain topics. My father use to tell me and my brothers and sisters that true knowledge is power for the black man out of his twelve rules for a black man.
"We wanted it for ourseleves":smt043:smt043:smt043 Who is WE fool?????? You have lost your rabbit-ass mind. WHITES wanted it for themselves DUMMY.. MANY Native American tribes ENSLAVED Africans just like white folks...!! One of the biggest threats to an excaped slave was getting captured and returned to whites BY INDIANS..!!! The Cherokkkee didn't free a SINGLE African when they made their "trail of tears"....They just recentlly kicked all the Black out of their tribe..! You have to acknowledge the Indians blood-soaked history as it pertains to BLACK PEOPLE and stop kissing their asses because they could care less about you.:smt039
:smt038 This is the only country we have....I don't see why Andre and Tree Pixie are in such a hurry to GIVE IT AWAY.
