1. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    unemployment numbers come from several independent sources not just the labor bureau

    Interesting how you read behind the numbers when Obama or his "supporters" say it but not Romney.
    I get people are disenchanted with the way things are. I know that people thought voting for Obama would some how make everything magically better and who knows maybe if the economy hadn't collapsed literally weeks before he took office things might be better but that wasn't the hand he was dealt. I've said this on numerous occasions, how do you expect him to clean up something in four years that took nearly a decade to cause. And lets not only look at him look at all the other representatives and officials who have been sworn in to serve all Americans not just Republicans or Democrats. They are suppose to look out for the best interests of the US not the agenda of their political party and re-election.
    The one thing I give Obama and the Dems is for better or worst them seem to have the interests of the entire nation at heart not just those who they think will vote for them.
    Republicans as a whole seem to try and block any kind of progress from science in favor of religion to military over education.
    They scream personal responsibility... for the poor but want give cuts to the rich.
    They want us to pull up our bootstraps but at the same time want to either make them heavier or take them away all together.
    I will never say this President has acted perfectly or in ways that I wanted him to but the one difference I see in him opposed to Romeny as well as most Republicans is human compassion.
    Not this I made it so anyone can make it attitude with disregard to circumstances.
     
  2. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    So let me get this straight we can't look back at the bullshit Bush did because it was four years ago but we can look back 12 years ago when the country had a surplus and criticize Clinton? I seriously don't follow Book.
     
  3. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    Im voting for obama but he got touched up in the first debate
     
  4. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    of course you know the rules....GOP are not responsible for anything...nothing. didnt you get the memo
     
  5. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    :D

     
  6. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    I never said Obama was solely at fault. I'm not stupid enough to think that no one else was involved.

    Obama had a daunting task ahead of him. I never thought he didn't. But he was going to be the bipartisan President. He was going to bring both parties together to work for the people.

    He hasn't, which makes him ineffectual as a leader.

    I'm not happy with where this country is right now. He spent an enormous amount of time trying to get the ACA off the ground and it's something that needs to go away. It's not the answer.

    I just don't know that this country can afford another 4 years if he can't do much to bring the parties together to get things done.

    Do I think Romney is the answer? I don't know. I'm seriously considering voting for the Green Party this November.

    I never said Bush was off-limits, but I'm tired of everyone blaming Bush for this mess when it started under Clinton. So therefore, I will bring Clinton into the picture when he is the direct reason we had a housing bubble that happened to finally burst under Bush.
     
  7. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    When did I EVER say that the GOP was off-limits???
     
  8. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

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    Ok I spent 48 minutes explaining how the dems been laying it down since the depression. I told you guess how even I had less of a mess. do i need to school yall again on how fucked up the situation is again? he is not just the potus but he is the jotus (janitor of the united states) because he is cleaning up some shit.
     
  9. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    If it started under Clinton why didn't Bush do anything to make it better? He had 8 years didn't he?
     
  10. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Books, Obama reached across the aisle time and time again in attempts to build bipartisanship on multiple issues, what he got in return was this..

    TIME just published “The Party of No,” an article adapted from my new book, The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era. It reveals some of my reporting on the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.” The excerpt includes a special bonus nugget of Mitt Romney dissing the Tea Party.
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    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/2...the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/#ixzz28TolBang

    It takes two to tango, no matter what Obama did the GOP was not going to agree, even when he was proposing some of their very own ideas.
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  11. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Are you shitting me??
    The unemployment number fell by THREE TENTHS OF ONE PERCENT!!!

    If unemployment fell from 8.8 to 8.5, would you really be that 'suspicious' about the number??

    Republicans are pissed because the new unemployment number fell below 8 percent, the magical Mendoza line for reelection.

    Let's not act like 7.8 percent unemployment is the sign of a major economic boom. It's simply progress in the right direction.

    If Republicans had passed Obama's American Jobs Act, the unemployment rate would be below 6.8% right now.

    But of course the Republican controlled House of Representatives couldn't do that and give Obama the election.
     
  12. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Her point is (correct if I'm wrong Book) is because he causes this type of reaction then maybe he isn't the best person to lead the country. On one hand I agree with her but on the other I say fuck them their racist bs agenda shouldn't be put ahead of the good of the American people
     
  13. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Hmm, the U.S. Congress is too racist to deal with a Black Democratic President.
    Probably true, but what message does it send that we can't support the POTUS because he elicits reactionary bigotry from the Right?

    It's ironic how the entire BHO first term is a reminder of how powerful the system of checks and balances is in the U.S. federal government.

    Congress collectively is STILL more powerful than the man in the Oval Office, yet Obama is the one blamed for gridlock.

    People need to review the last 4 years and document why it was that Democrats were becoming disenchanted with Obama.
    It was because he was too WILLING TO COMPROMISE his ideological beliefs to appease the Right. And in the end they never voted for any major legislation he supported.:smt018
     
  14. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    I find it very interesting that anyone would declare a victor in the first debate, per below, look how much "spin" came from both sides. To me debates are always window dressing, I judge based on action not words.

    Related rulings:

    [​IMG] "In one year, (President Obama) provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world … into solar and wind, to Solyndra and Fisker and Tesla and Ener1."

    Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: False | Details

    [​IMG] Says President Obama has "doubled" the deficit.

    Mitt Romney, Friday, October 5th, 2012.
    Ruling: False | Details
    [​IMG] "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my (health care) plan."

    Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Mostly False | Details
    [​IMG] Massachusetts schools "are ranked No. 1 of all 50 states."

    Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Mostly True | Details
    [​IMG] Says Romney wants to add $2 trillion to the defense budget that the military hasn’t asked for.

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: True | Details
    [​IMG] "Under Gov. Romney's definition ... Donald Trump is a small business."

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: False | Details
    [​IMG] Because of Obamacare, "over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up -- it's true -- but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years."

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: False | Details
    [​IMG] Romney’s Medicare plan was estimated to "cost the average senior about $6,000 a year."

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Half-True | Details

    [​IMG] Obama says he’s "put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan."

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Half-True | Details
    [​IMG] "Right now, the (Congressional Budget Office) says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year."

    Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: False | Details
    [​IMG] Says Mitt Romney's plan "calls for a $5 trillion tax cut."

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Half-True | Details
    [​IMG] Says Barack Obama "put in place a board that can tell people ultimately what treatments they're going to receive."

    Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Mostly False | Details
    [​IMG] "We’re now spending 42 percent of our economy on government."

    Mitt Romney, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Mostly True | Details
    [​IMG] Romney "would turn Medicare into a voucher program."

    Barack Obama, Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012.
    Ruling: Mostly True | Details
     
  15. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Most Americans are like dogs they don't hear words they just pay attention to tone and arm movements. Smdh

     
  16. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    SMDH.

    People are declaring a man the winner of a debate who lied his fucking ass off!!:axe:
     
  17. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Obama didn't do much better. Half-trues are also half-lies.

    True: Obama 1, Romney 0
    Mostly True: Obama 1, Romney 2
    Half-true: Obama 3, Romney 0
    Mostly False: Obama 0, Romney 2
    False: Obama: 2, Romney 3

    Aside from Obama's one true statement and one mostly true statement and Romney's two mostly true statements, they're running about even with the lies and half-truths.

    Breaking it down, politicians lie and lie and lie to get elected. It doesn't matter what party they belong to.
     
  18. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Yes, the timing of the announcement and all of the "found" jobs is suspicious.

    And adding 10,000 government jobs? Really? Does this country really need MORE government jobs??

    And considering it's all over the place that many companies are biding their time to create new jobs and not buying as much (I've seen that first hand at the manufacturing plant I work at) until after the election, the numbers don't add up to me.

    And manufacturing jobs are down for the second (or third?) straight month, but somehow unemployment dropped? It makes no sense to me.

    It is a step in the right direction if those are FT, non-seasonal jobs that were added.

    Since that didn't happen, any of those numbers are pure speculation.

    Republicans are just so evil. :roll:
     
  19. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Take away the racist thinking, and yes, that was my point. Obama is not a leader. A true leader would be able to get past all of the obstacles and inspire people to work with him/her.
     
  20. Damayor

    Damayor Member

    I think the job numbers are always released on the first Friday of the month.
     

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