they are crossing the border: who is at fault

kids are coming from central america by the 1000. people are protesting and the politicians are quickly finding a mic to blame someone.....

who is at fault and what should be done?

 

Why is this current issue posted in the Media section? Wouldn't it be better suited in the NEWS or POLITICS section? Perhaps Webbie can move it?

 

Thanks Tam

How can the President reconcile asking Congress for over $3 Billion to fix this, with $1.5 billion going directly to deal with caring for these kids & teens, alone.

And the sicknesses they have brought are a whole other story....

 

If we don't do something to halt the flow of illegal AND legal immigrants from South America, current demographic trends say in 70-80 years, if birth rates and present immigration trends continue, the U.S. population will DOUBLE to 600 billion in 2080.

Climate change is bad enough, but if the U.S. gets that big this country won't ever function the same way anymore.

That's just too many people to sustain a first rate country.

We've got too many people on the planet and the United States' entire immigration policy needs to be-rewritten.

Family reunification is responsible for over 60% of all legal immigration annually to this country. Not a problem in general, but it is a huge issue when we have approximately 100,000 people a month(!!) who become legal citizens. There are so many loopholes in our immigration policy IMO it should be the #1 issue in the 2016 presidential election.

Politicians are afraid of alienating Hispanics and losing them as a voting block, but even Hispanics recognize the peril of our legal and illegal immigration at its present levels.


I think it's time to hermetically seal the Southern border, from the MEXICO SIDE.:smt066

What's Mexico going to say? No?? Fuck that.

Divert a few billion dollars from the Defense budget and allocate resources for a 500,000 man U.S. Southern Border Patrol unit. Lock down every 2 miles of the Southern border from Texas to California.

No more illegal immigration from South America and a cap on how many we allow in.

Sorry but those kids need to be sent back home. If we allow any of them to declare asylum, there will be 100,000 coming the next time.

And someone tell me how dirt poor families in Guatemala and Honduras have the money to pay smugglers to transport their kids to the U.S.???

Something smells about this whole thing.

 

What diseases are these kids carrying? I'd like to see some well documented proof and peer reviewed evidence of all these crazy diseases these kids are rumored to be bringing into this country. Until I see that, I'm not buying it.

Next, our border seems to be quite secure. These kids aren't sneeking in. They are being apprehended at the border by our border patrol. We have been deporting more illeagles under this administration than at any other time in American history.

Unfortunately, the solution to this problem will rely on congress doing their jobs. But, I would not hold my breath in anticipation of that.

 

Our entire immigration policy is a major problem and people need to start looking at the problem long term. We have a hard enough time educating and employing the 300+ million Americans already here.

Our economic system just isn't engineered to provide a middle class living for a majority of folks in a country that exceeds 400-500+ million people.

If people want to see a glimpse of the future, take a look at China and India.

Both have more than a billion people and NO MIDDLE CLASS. It's a tiny minority of the wealthy elite and @70% of their people are living in poverty.

To get a grip on our immigration policies, I really am leaning towards having Border Patrol agents inside Mexico backed up by National Guard troops on the Mexico side of the border and turning back all smugglers at their typical access points.

It's absolutely insane to me that Border Patrol agents can stand on the U.S. of the border and show you literally where Mexicans, etc. are crossing over into this country.

 

India's population rate increases at a rate of 11 million people a year. That's ridiculous. They don't even have a septic system there.

People think the U.S won't ever become a second rate country. Keep sleeping on that.


While our Border patrol is feeding kids, Mexican gang members are charging $50,000 a head to smuggle people in from the middle east. This detraction and influx is a co-ordinated effort. You can't smuggle/move tens of thousands of kids through Mexico from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, ETC (HONDURAS BTW, IS THE MURDER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD) without Mexico aiding and abetting this traffic.

Why are these central American Governments telling there citizens it's ok to come here - and where is the meeting between our Govt and theirs with our President telling them, "tell your people to stop coming"?

Our President refuses to even go to the stuffed facilities/encampments.

Says he's being "updated" but he can go play pool in a bar in Denver and have a toke offered?

Is this a joke to him?

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11 million per year ? are you serious

 

How do you know for SURE they are REALLY from central america????

For are you know they are from messico.

It's tough enough for an adult to make it from central america through mexico into the US...I find it hard to believe those children made it through mexico in one peice.

 

Anybody dumb enough to think this country's borders are secure are on the wrong side of said border.:smt043

Those so-called deported iillegals are right back in the country soon as the cameras go away.

 

There have been reports of:
Scabies, Head Lice, Bird flu, a reported case of TB, Depression and Anxiety.

DO YOU DOUBT THIS? When you consider the circumstances that abound here?
Why don't they prove these kids have no illnesses.

Did you catch the Administration tell our Senator "NO CAMERAS?"
"WHY NOT?"
"THEIR FACES HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY"

Really? As much as this Administration is all up in OUR FACES and in our business (hi NSA, IRS), but they want to suddenly protect illegal immigrant children's faces?

Keep in mind, the President loves taking photos with kids, the whole Admin does - they tweet them to everyone every chance they get. Sick kids, happy kids, crying kids.......

Why is the President refusing to go, at the least for a photo op?
He lambasted Bush in '05 for flying OVER flooded N. Orleans. But now he doesn't want to go to the Border cities? Not even one?

Also, a local Union Head of the Border Patrol has spoken out -

And MSNBC reported...

And finally......

 

Love the feigned bewilderment and phony "helplessness" our govt. shows when it comes to illegals flooding our border.



"Border Crisis." lol

I'm sure it's all completely unexpected.

 

What MSNBC should tell people is that there's a very good reason our system is "ill equipped" to handle these challenges. And the reason is that it's fucking beyond stupid to bus in large numbers of illegals like this, therefore it wasn't designed into the system.

The system was designed to do shit that makes sense, like actually having enough resources to properly secure our border. And everybody (from our political leadership to ICE and Border patrol) doing their jobs and enforcing our immigration laws to the letter. Not undermining said laws by luring illegals here, then leaving a door open. And then giving the American people a sob story as to why they should accept this.

 

True

Our country's infractructure wasn't designed with a wide-open border in mind.

We should deal with this issue the way Mexico does...send them home in droves.

 

I'd much rather see this country invest billions in stabilizing the governments and economies of Central America and raise their standard of living instead of trying to absorb millions of their people into the United States.

Also there's another problem in that this continuing wave of Latin American (illegal) immigrants as a whole aren't assimilating IMO into the American culture.

There used to be intense pressure among all immigrant groups to learn and become proficient in English, I wonder if that's still the case.

I'm in favor of immigrants remaining bilingual, but it's going to be a problem if we have huge numbers of immigrant children who still view their primary language as Spanish.

 

What a great alternate solution, AB. I wonder if we do this already?(worth looking into later).
I mean, we send billions of foreign aid to the Middle East and Pakistan, why not divert some of that funding to our neighbours.

I learned that before NAFTA, home ownership in Mexico was at 1.5%. now it's at 40% (aprox), so maybe investing in their countries might make ours less appealing.

 

Agree 100% this idea has been around for a long time, improve the home countries so that immigrants wont have to flee for opportunities elsewhere. As always the devil is in the details and governments working with other governments often leads to graft, greed, and ineffective, wasteful measures being taken.

 

There's that corruption thiing again. How do we then provide effective change? If we can't facilitate constructive alternatives to stem the illegal influx, then there's going to possibly be a civil war at worst and civil unrest as best. I don't see Americans laying down for this one (aka amnesty/path to citizenry).

 

Great questions, per below we are already spending HUGE amounts of money on economic and military assistance programs in multiple countries. Yet the illegal immigration problems are still with us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid


http://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42582.pdf

Types of Assistance
U.S. foreign assistance to countries in Latin America and the Caribbean serves a variety of
purposes. Since taking office, the Obama Administration has dedicated a greater proportion of aid
to the region to development and humanitarian assistance programs. Development assistance,
provided primarily through the Development Assistance (DA) and Global Health Programs (GHP) accounts, seeks to foster sustainable broad-based economic progress and social stability in developing nations. Such funding is often used
for long-term projects in the areas of economic
reform, democracy promotion, basic education,
human health, and environmental protection.
Humanitarian assistance is devoted largely to the immediate alleviation of humanitarian
emergencies. This includes most food assistance provided through the Food for Peace (P.L. 480)
account and assistance for refugees and internally displaced persons funded through the
Migration and Refugee Assistance (MRA) account. USAID manages most development and
humanitarian assistance programs; however, the State Department administers the MRA account
and manages a portion of the global health account that mainly addresses HIV/AIDS (under the
PEPFAR program).
Another significant portion of U.S. assistance to the region is provided through the Economic
Support Fund (ESF) account. The primary purpose of ESF is promotion of special U.S. economic,
political, or security interests. The account generally funds programs that are designed to promote
political and economic stability, and in practice, ESF-funded programs are often indistinguishable
from those funded through the development and humanitarian assistance accounts mentioned