1. RRoyce55

    RRoyce55 Active Member

    Ben Carson, Possible GOP nominee for President in 2016

    Any Opinions on the "former" neurosurgeon?
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2015
  2. samson1701

    samson1701 Well-Known Member

    Oh, please let this nut job be the nominee.

    If she had to run against him, they could catch Hilary in a threesome with a dead hooker and a live boy while doing lines of coke between desperate tries to find good veins to get her heroin fix on and she'd still win the Presidency.
     
  3. RRoyce55

    RRoyce55 Active Member

    Ok....

    Well, it's very early and numbers will change drastically. In regards to the GOP, he's an extreme longshot. As of now realclearpolitics.com reports cumulative poll numbers put Romney as the front runner. Interestingly though, Carson is currently 3rd.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...republican_presidential_nomination2-5255.html
     
  4. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Armstrong Williams had done a "doc" on the good doctor.
     
  5. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    Lord, I hope not. This country isn't ready for a female president. I don't think the world is either. I like Ben Carson. I just don't know if he's qualified to be POTUS. But somehow, I don't think he can do any worse than Sarah Palin.
     
  6. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    No experience what so ever. and I don't mean he's been to law school then taught law then was state senator and then became senator. I mean no experience. He has never held office. It is basically Bush vs Clinton.
     
  7. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    I dont know Ches, most people dont know they are ready until it happens, if England (Thatcher), Germany, Argentina, Iceland, Croatia, Switzerland, Serbia, ect. per below, can all have women presidents/prime ministers, the US certainly can. A whole lot of folks said we were (and still are not happy about) not ready for a Black president before President Obama.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state

    I have respect for Carson's medical achievments, but IMO he makes off the charts crazy comments that are very disturbing and just plain stupid per below

    "But he lost some of that star power after making controversial comments last year. In one instance he compared the federal health care law to "slavery."



    And he sparked strong backlash when he equated homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality during a television interview about same-sex marriage. Facing loud opposition, he apologized and withdrew from speaking gigs at Johns Hopkins medical school and an event for the American Academy of Physicians Assistants."


    "Asked to elaborate on his previous comments about the U.S. living in "a Gestapo age," the conservative firebrand argued the country has become "very much like Nazi Germany."


    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-the-u-s-is-like-nazi-germany/comment-page-2/
     
  8. Peach State Scholar

    Peach State Scholar Well-Known Member

    The skillset required to succeed in medicine and the skillset required to succeed as President have absolutely no overlap. A lot of book smart people completely lack common sense and good judgment.

    And comparing universal health coverage to slavery? Well that's just fucking stupid.
     
  9. Thump

    Thump Well-Known Member

    Hillary was way out in front around this time during her last run, and look how that turned out for her.

    IMHO Hilary is not the first female president that we need. Don't forget that she is in bed with Wall Street. And why doesn't anybody remember the thinly veiled racist tactics she used against Obama in 2008?

    I'd much rather see Elizabeth Warren get nominated than Hilary.

    As for Ben Carson. He and Bobbi Jindal are just deluding themselves if they think the good ol' boys down south are going to put them in the White House.
     
  10. RRoyce55

    RRoyce55 Active Member

    So What are we saying here. Archangel seems to be saying that the fact he has never held elected office should disqualify him. Is that a requirement to run for President? The funny thing is the lack of experience is what has him high in early Iowa polls. The People have long desired a non-establishment candidate, an he is the furthest possible with that lot GOP hopefuls. Elizabeth Warren was and educator before being thrown out there as the candidate to take back Edward Kennedy's Senate seat in a notoriously blue state. I live in Massachusetts. I would have won that election if they put me up against Scott Brown. Yet she has the credentials now?

    I absolutely agree with the statements about varying skillsets and the difference between book smarts and common sense.

    The politcal game has many facets. I wouldn't count out anyone at this point.
     
  11. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    What this man said.

     
  12. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    I read some of those links before, and I took his comments in the context he meant them. The first one, for instance. Slavery made one group of people subservient to another. He's likening the federal health plan because it's similar: The government is, in a sense, making the American people subservient to it by the demands of the healthcare system. I don't read any more into what he says. Same with the Nazi Germany comment. I understood the points he was making.

    Like I said before, I like him. But that doesn't necessarily mean I would endorse him for POTUS. I'd have to hear his platform.
     
  13. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    I see what you are saying Ches, the way I see it is that the ACA requirement that everyone get healthcare or pay a fee, is no different than seat belt laws or car insurance laws, everyone has to do it to keep costs down.

    One of the few bi-partisan points that was agreed upon was that the costs of the uninsured going to emergency rooms was a significant reason for the ever increasing health care costs. No legislation for health care reform could ignore this reality, and making healthcare mandatory for all was really the only way to address this issue. Funny how Carson did not come out against car insurance or any one of numerous other examples of mandatory costs for all as a hedge against increasing costs overall. To equate that common sense approach (with many precedents) to slavery is inflammatory and insulting at best.

    Complex issue for sure, but many critics of the President and the ACA are trying to refer to mandatory penalty as a new "tax" while ignoring the cost savings/avoidance.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamacare-will-be-cheaper-than-expected-budget-analysts-say/

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/

    Is It a Tax or a Penalty?
    ***********000000]We will be using the terms interchangeably from now on. Whatever you call it, it’s the functional equivalent of a tax, and the Supreme Court has ruled that it is an exercise of the taxing power of Congress.
    [/COLOR]​
    ***********000000]The law labels the assessment a “penalty” (see Section 5000A) and avoids using the term “tax.” But Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the five justices in the majority, said the penalty can be considered a tax that is within the power of Congress to impose. [/COLOR]​
    ***********000000]His reasons are set out starting on page 33 of the opinion. Among other things, Roberts concluded that the penalty was not intended to be a criminal fine, because those who choose to pay it, rather than honor the mandate to obtain health insurance, would be in full compliance with the law. He also noted that the amount is not prohibitively high:[/COLOR]​
    Chief Justice John Roberts: [F]or most Americans the amount due will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more.
     
  14. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    Loki, is there a penalty if you are under- or not insured (car insurance)? That's one way I guess it would be different. Folks are fined if they don't have the health care coverage, right?
     
  15. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Yes per the comments of Justice Roberts below, there is a penalty for not having health care coverage, but it is not a huge penalty per below.

    "Among other things, Roberts concluded that the penalty was not intended to be a criminal fine, because those who choose to pay it, rather than honor the mandate to obtain health insurance, would be in full compliance with the law. He also noted that the amount is not prohibitively high."
    Chief Justice John Roberts: [F]or most Americans the amount due will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more.
    Applicable penalty

    The individual one-time penalty under ACA in 2014 will be $95 per adult, or one percent of your income, whichever is greater. So say your annual income is $50,000, you’d pay $500. For every uninsured child, the penalty is $47.50. The family maximum is $285.

    “Coverage is assessed on a monthly basis,” said Pollitz. “So if you were uninsured for six months, you’d owe half the otherwise applicable penalty.”

    Non-financial exclusions can include:

    • You are between jobs and without insurance for up to three months.
    • It contradicts your religious beliefs.
    • You are a member of an Indian tribe.
    • You are in jail.

    The financial exclusions for not having health insurance include having a family income so low that you don’t have to file an income-tax return, Pollitz said. Or your minimum essential coverage exceeds a certain percentage of your household income for the most recent taxable year. In 2014, that is 8 percent.

    Coverage could take many forms. It could be a government-sponsored plan like Medicaid or Medicare, an employer-sponsored plan or a plan purchased on the individual market.



    Yes, every state most likely has penalties (financial) for not having car insurance..
    Penalties For Driving Without Insurance

    http://www.dmv.org/insurance/penalties-for-driving-without-insurance.php



    Just as every state varies on its liability insurance or other financial responsibility requirements for drivers, every state also varies on its penalties for driving without meeting those requirements.
    However, one thing’s for certain: Driving without insurance or proof that you’ve met your state’s financial responsibility requirements brings steep and pricey repercussions.

    Common Penalties for Driving Without Insurance

    As stated above, penalties for driving without insurance vary from state to state; however, a few of the most common penalties include:

    • Having your driver’s license suspended.
    • Having your vehicle registration suspended.
    • Receiving a traffic ticket for a no insurance violation. This is in addition to the traffic ticket(s) you receive for the original reason you were pulled over.
      • Depending on the officer and where you receive the ticket, you might be able to have the ticket dismissed if you can show proof of insurance within a certain time period following the date of the citation; however, this generally only applies if you really did have coverage at the time of the traffic stop and just happened?for whatever reason?to not have your insurance card with you.
    • Meeting SR-22 requirements.
      • Some states might only impose this if you cause an accident while driving without insurance; others may impose it simply for driving uninsured.
    • Hefty fines. In addition to meeting other requirements, you’ll have to pay to have your license and registration reinstated. Plus, you’ll have to cover the traffic ticket fines.
    • Increased future insurance premiums.
     
  16. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    The reason I questioned the car insurance is because my old supervisor was in a scrape with another driver - she opened her door and seriously dented and scraped his door, and she had no insurance. I don't recall that she was penalized for not having it. Thanks for the all the info. I thought the penalty for not having health insurance was steep.
     
  17. RRoyce55

    RRoyce55 Active Member

    I'm really not reading all of that. I'll just say Auto Insurance laws are state regulated. States such as New Hampshire do not require an auto insurance policy.
     
  18. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    True that New Hampshire is among a small handful of states that has no mandatory car insurance laws.

    State law, however, does require you to pay for costs of bodily injury or property damage resulting from a car accident you caused. The best way to meet this requirement is by purchasing New Hampshire car insurance. Hence a de facto penalty for not having insurance.

    New Hampshire Car Insurance Requirements

    Although auto insurance is not mandatory in New Hampshire, most drivers opt to purchase it anyway. New Hampshire’s uninsured driver rate is, in fact, lower than the national average.
    If you do decide to carry car insurance in New Hampshire, your policy must include:

    • Liability coverage.
    • Medical payments coverage.
    • Uninsured motorist coverage.
    Liability Insurance

    Your New Hampshire car insurance policy must include liability coverage, which will help you pay for costs associated with bodily injury or property damage to others resulting from an accident you caused.
    Your liability insurance must meet the following minimums:

    • $25,000 for bodily injury, per person.
    • $50,000 for bodily injury, if multiple people are injured in an accident.
    • $25,000 for property damage.
    Medical Payments

    Your policy must also include medical payment coverage to help pay for your own medical costs in case of a car accident.
    You must have at least $1,000 in medical payments coverage.
     
  19. Hypestyle

    Hypestyle Active Member

    Whenever his official campaign gets up and running, black news media, by default, will have to give him at least some general coverage. A feature interview where he is shadowed could be interesting-- not from a standpoint of endorsing him; but seeing him in a "prepared" interview might be one thing, seeing what his behavior and commentary is "behind the scenes" is another. We'll see.
     
  20. Peach State Scholar

    Peach State Scholar Well-Known Member

    Working off script is a hard thing to pull off. Some people think great when they're on their feet but for the ones who can't, it becomes disastrous. And with the world we live in these days, it's a mistake that they could never live down.
     

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