A woman shouldn't be telling you 'no' during clothed foreplay that could lead to sex. I've had women I was seeing say 'no' or 'don't' because they had to go to work, were watching TV or were on the phone, etc., and felt if I kept feeling and kissing on them, they'd get wet and WANT to have sex. For example, I've told a woman in a movie theater to stop trying to put her hand down the front of my pants, but not because I felt I was about to be raped. I didn't want to get hard and bust a nut(with her assistance) in a crowded movie theater. When I said NO I seriously meant it. She still put her hand down my pants, but she stopped before trying to jerk me off. Context matters. Most grown women know when they're in a potentially sexual situation and aren't going to let something get so far along where they have to say NO. No in general means no, but sometimes 'no' just means...not right now. Which means you should probably wait until that time happens.
Sure. Though, I don't see how my humor has any relevance to my worldview regarding women. Stick to the topic, okay? Or did this post made you feel more macho?
UGH - come on....if you're going to have a conversation/debate/argument stay on topic. None of that has anything to do with the topic.
Talking someone into sex might not be wrong, as long as it's not verbal coercion, but it would still feel awkward and/or creepy. I'd probably just do without or call up Manuela and her five sisters.
'no' means the person has a boundary that must be respected. ... :smt023 I agree. ... it's really simple, approach someone you like. Have a conversation. Learn something. Get to know them. None of that let me think and talk my way into every chicks' pants. that's sh*t's messed up... guys like that are legion.
Okay here goes: If you just meet a girl, maybe take her on a date, and you start kissing her and she says no, then stop and go home and jack yourself off. If you meet a girl in a bar/club and alcohol is involved, then if she says no, then stop what you're doing, go home and jack yourself off. If you've been dating a chick for a lengthy period of time and you two are comfortable with each other and can read each other's body language, etc then you should know when she's playfully telling you no and when her no means no. If you engage in a rape fantasy with someone, then ALWAYS make sure to have a safe word so that either party can stop it if it gets too much. Isn't what I just said common sense?? Why is it so hard to understand?
I dunno People are always trying to pressure other people into going out with them or having sex in real life As a defense for the serial rapists here, I recognize 'the chase' that many women put men through to weed out the bums/playas.....so I could imagine how confusing it would be Many a marriage probably started off with the word NO or not interested at some point
last person I dated who said "no" to me in the heat of the moment... I mean this is in the heeaaattt of the moment when almost everything was said and done... she got a peck in the cheek, we slept in bed, woke up in the morning, and I took her out to a breakfast house she recommended. if you like a person, respect isn't a thought. It's second nature.
to tone down the heat a bit... I can understand what Dark King's saying. He's saying a girl might be unsure and say no. That's true... The trouble is ... it's not a judgment call for anyone to make if they hear no. especially for something as personal as sex. A person can't judge the merits of a "no". One person is sure. The other is unsure. ... favor goes to the unsure person...
Men are sold the persistence game from day one. It's rarely ever as clear cut as hey I like you do you like me.
God I hate weighing all sides of an argument sometimes lol Some days I wish I could just be a selfish hardliner, who only cares what they think and puts down opposing arguments without compromise I never really looked at the persistence/chase/prove yourself angle up until now and I think Samson mentioned it earlier. The game will need to be changed if women want men to really respect NO
that's a different subject. Persisting to court a woman is not the same as halting in the middle of sex in response to "no". There is no middle ground there. Like I said, it's not a judgment call one can make... not legally... and not morally... Men don't validate themselves through sexual acts. They're above them.
It was stated in the article she felt pressured which is synonymous with coerced... it doesn't seem your interested in answering the question honestly so I bid you an good day. Anyway gentlemen. The best thing you can do is off the bat tell a woman off the bat you find hearing the word no a "turn off". You aren't turned on jumping thru hoops for pussy. But truth be told, quite a few women love an aggressive man to change their no's into a yes. So many times in my life I messed with women who loved saying no but got drenched off my relentless advances. You just got to properly be able to gauge who is playing hard to get and who is simply not into you period.
that's cognitive dissonance. And what you just said there is a reality that's happening almost everywhere. It doesn't change the fact that it isn't coercion. It is. With a snap of a finger, it can end badly for anyone. It's not a rule to live by. Many guys simply cannot make that judgment call you're alluding to.
