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andreboba said:
The State Department and the Oval Office set our foreign policy. I didn't realize using them interchangeably would be so confusing.
That resolution you posted was for American Jewish consumption, it had nothing at all to do with foreign policy in the ME.
Clinton signing that Jerusalem Act into 'law' meant absolutely nothing, except to secure his base support among Jewish voters.

However, you will find several examples of POTUSes, Secretaries of State and UN diplomats endorsing a two state solution on the West Bank.
That can't happen unless Jerusalem always remains divided.

No one's moving the goalposts on this discussion.

Most foreign policy expects have argued the only viable peace plans on the West Bank must involve either a divided Jerusalem, or one that exists as the the capital of both Israel and Palestine.

Israel has the military muscle to relocate its capital to Jerusalem, but they won't do it. Because they know what kind of provocation that would be.

You really need to read more about why so many foreign policy wonks consider what Trump said to be reckless and his intention to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem to be incomprehensible.

From Bill Clinton to Trump: The Never-ending Story of the Jerusalem Embassy Move
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.769498

Trump made a unilateral decision that broke protocol on decades of U.S. foreign policy for no particular reason or purpose whatsoever, except to antagonize and provoke Palestinians and Muslims worldwide.
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Funny how you consider the Congressional Acts and Clinton's decree as pandering and disingenuous, you equally dismiss past Presidents who noted that Jerusalem is the Capital, so not surprised you're outraged just because President Trump merely finished the job, which btw, as lve shown you, was far from a unilateral act. In fact, many scholars l'm reading from applaud Trump's public acknowledgenent and said its about time.

I know you harped on it removes open dialogue, but that dialogue all but dissapeared during the last Administration anyway. Hillary Clinton always took pot-shots at Israel and Obama gifted the Palestinian Authority $221million on Jan 20th, 2017 as a parting shot at Netanyahu.

While you're convinced there will be an intafada and have more or less made the case for it in your own eyes, fact is, 20 years of kicking the can down the road has done nothing towards securing a concrete peace agreement, has it?

Not since Truman have we had a President with more balls and gunption to follow through and officially pay Israel the respect that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel.
Honestly, you're more than welcome to align with the 2 billion muslims you claim are angry over a place that belongs to Israel, however now that It's been reiterated by our POTUS, that is that and I'm with Israel on this one.
 
'The only way we'll get sexism out of politics is to get more women into politics' - Hillary Rodham Clinton.
 
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/942422807924936706
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/doug-jones-doesnt-think-trump-should-resign


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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365308-jones-of-course-i-need-to-consider-voting-with-republicans





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But, but, but I thought a certain demographic known for snapping their fingers & rolling their necks single-handily saved America this past week?
 
ColiBreh1 said:
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/942422807924936706
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/doug-jones-doesnt-think-trump-should-resign


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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365308-jones-of-course-i-need-to-consider-voting-with-republicans





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But, but, but I thought a certain demographic known for snapping their fingers & rolling their necks single-handily saved America this past week?
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I'll look up what Jones said about Trump, but the quote about him voting Republican in the Senate wasn't meant to be across the board, just where he felt they represented his conservative Democratic values and the interests of his state.

Doug Jones is an Alabama Democrat, meaning he's a right leaning liberal anywhere else in the country.

It's so unlikely he's going to hold that Senate seat anyway, I don't see much point in trying to blast him.

ANd what's with some posters fighting this constant war against BW??

BW, believe it or not, are just more politically active than BM and vote at a much higher rate than BM.

If BW voted in the same numbers as BM in the Alabama senate race, Roy Moore would have won.

To get things changed in D.C., you first have to WIN elections. Even if the candidate is less than ideal or not a true progressive.
 
andreboba said:
I'll look up what Jones said about Trump, but the quote about him voting Republican in the Senate wasn't meant to be across the board, just where he felt they represented his conservative Democratic values and the interests of his state.

Doug Jones is an Alabama Democrat, meaning he's a right leaning liberal anywhere else in the country.

It's so unlikely he's going to hold that Senate seat anyway, I don't see much point in trying to blast him.

ANd what's with some posters fighting this constant war against BW??

BW, believe it or not, are just more politically active than BM and vote at a much higher rate than BM.

If BW voted in the same numbers as BM in the Alabama senate race, Roy Moore would have won.

To get things changed in D.C., you first have to WIN elections. Even if the candidate is less than ideal or not a true progressive.
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What is a right leaning Liberal? Do you mean a right-leaning moderate?
 
andreboba said:
I'll look up what Jones said about Trump, but the quote about him voting Republican in the Senate wasn't meant to be across the board, just where he felt they represented his conservative Democratic values and the interests of his state.

Doug Jones is an Alabama Democrat, meaning he's a right leaning liberal anywhere else in the country.

It's so unlikely he's going to hold that Senate seat anyway, I don't see much point in trying to blast him.

ANd what's with some posters fighting this constant war against BW??

BW, believe it or not, are just more politically active than BM and vote at a much higher rate than BM.

If BW voted in the same numbers as BM in the Alabama senate race, Roy Moore would have won.

To get things changed in D.C., you first have to WIN elections. Even if the candidate is less than ideal or not a true progressive.
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To be fair @ColiBreh1 didn't actually say "BW." He said "a certain demographic."

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Haven't posted in this thread in a while, but just want to say that the Russia investigation is now clearly substantive if there was any doubt left. If you want an example of that, consider the Benghazi investigations: despite being investigated for nearly three years, they indicted literally no one, censured no one, found no one guilty of anything. By contrast, the special investigation in to Russia is only about six months old, and not only have they indicted multiple people, but three have already pled guilty and agreed to cooperate, including the former head of the NSA and the President's former campaign chief -- i.e., not some small guys down the chain.

To continue to believe that the Russia investigation is all smoke, you essentially have to stretch as far as possible and insist that the FBI is biased and corrupt against Republicans, even though Comey was a Republican who was appointed to his first major government position (Ass. Attorney General) by a Republican President (W. Bush), and Mueller is also a registered Republican. But this is the only defense Trump has left, and he's not willing to admit to anything, so that's the angle he's going with.
 
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bodhesatva said:
Haven't posted in this thread in a while, but just want to say that the Russia investigation is now clearly substantive if there was any doubt left. If you want an example of that, consider the Benghazi investigations: despite being investigated for nearly three years, indicted literally no one, censured no one, impeached no one. By contrast, the special investigation in to Russia is approximately six months old already, and not only have they indicted multiple people, but three have already pled guilty and agreed to cooperate, including the former head of the NSA and the President's former campaign chief -- i.e., not some small guys down the chain.

To continue to believe that the Russia investigation is all smoke, you essentially have to stretch as far as possible and insist that the FBI is biased and corrupt against Republicans, even though Comey was a Republican who was appointed to his first major government position (Ass. Attorney General) by a Republican President (W. Bush), and Mueller is also a registered Republican. But this is the only defense Trump has left, and he's not willing to admit to anything, so that's the angle he's going with.
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Great post. I also post on a political blog and the Trumptards are still calling this a "nothingburger." They're in denial
 
To emphasize further, there are a bunch of things laypeople like us can look at to try and determine if a scandal really has any meat on its bones. Here are a few questions to ask:

1) Has anyone been indicted? (i.e. they are being tried in a court of law?) Officials don't typically take cases to court if they think there is nothing there.

2) Has anyone been found guilty? This is the next step. If they are indicted, were they then found guilty in a court of law?

3) How important are these people? It's important to make these distinctions. There are literally thousands of low level party employees all across the country, so one of them doing something stupid is bad but hardly surprising. But party higher ups? These are people with systemic power, and wrongdoing by those people is far more important and influential.

And the Russian investigation measures very high on all of these counts. Yes, people have already been indicted; yes, people have already been found guilty; yes, those people are very high up in the Trump administration. This helps a layperson like me (and presumably most of you) sort the real issues from the made up ones.
 
bodhesatva said:
Haven't posted in this thread in a while, but just want to say that the Russia investigation is now clearly substantive if there was any doubt left. If you want an example of that, consider the Benghazi investigations: despite being investigated for nearly three years, they indicted literally no one, censured no one, found no one guilty of anything. By contrast, the special investigation in to Russia is only about six months old, and not only have they indicted multiple people, but three have already pled guilty and agreed to cooperate, including the former head of the NSA and the President's former campaign chief -- i.e., not some small guys down the chain.

To continue to believe that the Russia investigation is all smoke, you essentially have to stretch as far as possible and insist that the FBI is biased and corrupt against Republicans, even though Comey was a Republican who was appointed to his first major government position (Ass. Attorney General) by a Republican President (W. Bush), and Mueller is also a registered Republican. But this is the only defense Trump has left, and he's not willing to admit to anything, so that's the angle he's going with.
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Why so few people realize this I have no idea. Then again, you can't reason people out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.
 
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Conservatives and Trump supporters just don't want to entertain the slightest possibility the POTUS is a traitor.
If I were them, I wouldn't either.

The Russia scandal became real when 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia was behind the hack of the DNC emails and had worked to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
That and the fact Donald Trump NEVER criticized Russia or Putin during the campaign.

However, the only way Trump will be held accountable is if the Dems can flip the House and Mueller presents overwhelming evidence showing his complicity to work with the Kremlin.

IMO Jared Kushner and Trump Jr. will have to be indicted and admit they were following direct orders from the POTUS in order for Congress to impeach Trump.
 
bodhesatva said:
Haven't posted in this thread in a while, but just want to say that the Russia investigation is now clearly substantive if there was any doubt left. If you want an example of that, consider the Benghazi investigations: despite being investigated for nearly three years, they indicted literally no one, censured no one, found no one guilty of anything. By contrast, the special investigation in to Russia is only about six months old, and not only have they indicted multiple people, but three have already pled guilty and agreed to cooperate, including the former head of the NSA and the President's former campaign chief -- i.e., not some small guys down the chain.

To continue to believe that the Russia investigation is all smoke, you essentially have to stretch as far as possible and insist that the FBI is biased and corrupt against Republicans, even though Comey was a Republican who was appointed to his first major government position (Ass. Attorney General) by a Republican President (W. Bush), and Mueller is also a registered Republican. But this is the only defense Trump has left, and he's not willing to admit to anything, so that's the angle he's going with.
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I think this is all part of their BS feeble attempts to discredit Mueller and somehow get the investigation stopped. There must be something that has them attacking and trying to get this quashed from the getgo. One older guy I know said this seems to be Nixon all over again.

andreboba said:
Conservatives and Trump supporters just don't want to entertain the slightest possibility the POTUS is a traitor.
If I were them, I wouldn't either.

The Russia scandal became real when 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia was behind the hack of the DNC emails and had worked to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.
That and the fact Donald Trump NEVER criticized Russia or Putin during the campaign.

However, the only way Trump will be held accountable is if the Dems can flip the House and Mueller presents overwhelming evidence showing his complicity to work with the Kremlin.

IMO Jared Kushner and Trump Jr. will have to be indicted and admit they were following direct orders from the POTUS in order for Congress to impeach Trump.
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Very true! We need folks to seriously turn out and vote this year.
 
DudeNY12 said:
I think this is all part of their BS feeble attempts to discredit Mueller and somehow get the investigation stopped. There must be something that has them attacking and trying to get this quashed from the getgo. One older guy I know said this seems to be Nixon all over again.
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I don't know, I'd say that this has the potential to be much worse than Watergate.
 
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