I may have mentioned in the past, but many years ago I was dating a young lady who was a member at a startup church. She asked me to attend which I did and it was immediately clear to me that the pastor and his wife were using this to build their wealth. They had all of these smaller ministries of volunteers, and they had asked me and some other to work on the technology ministry. I heard all kinds of stuff from this dude, and while I can't deny his religious aspirations... It was clear each time that his goal of getting wealthy was his priority, and this church would be the means of reaching his goal. One day I mentioned to one of the deacons about this shady pastor, and this dude says... "Well, brother ______, don't worry about what the pastor may or may not be doing. It's most important that you do your part" What was my part? Attending, joining, tithing (and... offering) and working in the church. I never joined, but the kiss of death for me and the young lady was me referring to the pastor as a crook. I mentioned to her that the pastor (who was IT by trade) had specifically asked us to get software from our jobs, which is illegal, but she was too far gone.