GOP Debate on Fox This Week

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Blacktiger2005, Aug 3, 2015.

  1. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    God, I hope so.

    I would take Mickey Mouse as President any day over Hillary.
     
  2. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    Pollsters and all kinds of people to advise you on things , travel expense and so on
     
  3. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    I read a while back the last Election cost Obama and Romney a billion dollars each. That this one Is projected to cost each candidate $1.5 billion. Absolute insanity. So basically if you are qualified, but with far less resources, you're SOL.
     
  4. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    Lol....for sure
     
  5. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

  6. Shulz021

    Shulz021 Well-Known Member

  7. Blacktiger2005

    Blacktiger2005 Well-Known Member

    Ms. Bliss, Teflon Don lost me after he slandered war hero John McCain and his attitude about women in general. Women make up over 56% of the electorate in this country. He has to know this or his ego has overwhelmed him.
     
  8. bilbo

    bilbo Active Member

    Sanders self-identifies as a socialist, a self-inflicted gunshot to the head in terms of American politics. He is not winning the election but will force a centrist Hillary to address issues to the left of her platform.

    Hillary takes the nomination and wins the general election with one hand tied behind her back. The GOP is a party of increasingly older white people that needs the groups (blacks, Hispanics, women) it regularly demonizes to win the presidency. For example they need at least 45% of the Hispanic vote to win next year. Game over.
     
  9. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    Everyones a socialist....they just are in denial

     
  10. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    Blacklivesmatter already attacked him.:smt042

    Obama didn't have that happen. The way that Obama won was by gathering the minority votes. Sanders clearly has a problem with minorities. Something that Hillary doesn't have. You can not go toe to toe with the republican party on white votes. They will win. Something schumer doesn't get and the Obama campaign as well as the Clintons understand.

    He isn't historical. He serves as a measure to move Hillary to the left.
     
  11. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    That's scary.

    But they did bring up something that I think is true: they said Trump has passion. I think that's a BIG reason he's so popular right now. He is very passionate about what he believes in and he's not being wishy-washy and pandering to anyone.

    I hope his candidacy gets played out quickly so that the focus can be on the other candidates who have a chance of winning the nomination.
     
  12. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    If this was his first stab at running for President, I'd be more inclined to believe the conspiracy theory that he's doing it to divide and conquer for Hillary. As it stands, it's looking like Hillary will need all the help she can get on that front, which does give that theory some weight.

    But, he's run as a Republican before, so I think it's more of how he's saying what he's saying: with passion and unwillingness to pander to every group, that has struck a chord with the American people.

    I couldn't agree more. The RNC should really be studying Trump to find out why he's as popular as he is...actually, the DNC should also be studying what Trump is accomplishing.

    I think Americans are just getting fed up with the "status quo" politician and are looking for someone with passion and firm beliefs, with not a care in the world about who he's offending.
     
  13. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Very few people care about the historical aspect of this right now.
    People are concerned about jobs that pay a living wage, they care about police brutality, money in politics that allow a handful of people to control it all.
    The only people who want a woman as president for the sake of history are people who don't have other concerns and that's an incredibly small amount of the population. Sanders is addressing the concerns of the people and isn't pandering to special interest groups with bullshit rhetoric.
     
  14. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    The article alluded to him being formally a Democrat, so l don't really know.


    Both, to your last sentence.
     
  15. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    Bill Clinton had one of the best economies and Barack Obama dealt with some of the police brutalities. Both are more likely to support Hillary. done deal here.


    Those two bring in what will eliminate Bernie and that is minorities. Biden is the only one that could split the juggernauts of the party with Barack backing him.
     
  16. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    This isn't 15 years ago endorsements don't mean what they use to especially from two people that everyone thinks are in the pocket of the super rich. It's a totally different political climate where people want their issues addressed genuinely with a plan and not a shit ton of empty promises from people we already know are bought and paid for. We could both be wrong and some Republican douche wins it all but I see the writing on the wall and Sanders is real competition for Hilary make no mistake even more so than Biden.
     
  17. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    No convicing you here. Guess it will be Sanders vs Trump this year.
     
  18. z

    z Well-Known Member

    Hahaha you got to read this


    The crowded GOP debate ended on Thursday and the analysis is coming thick and fast. The Hollywood Reporter asked noted social critic and author Camille Paglia for her thoughts on the debate and she didn't disappoint.

    Dear Hollywood Reporter,

    Ten GOP candidates turned up for the presidential audition tonight at Cleveland's Quicken Loans Arena. They need some work. Where's Max Factor and Sydney Guilaroff when you need them? Here's my report.

    Best,
    Camille

    Donald Trump

    What's with the carpet-bombing Don Rickles routine? Does Trump have any facial expression beyond knotted, squinting scowl? It's a strain even to look at him. The entire debate begins with Trump getting booed for refusing to rule out a third-party bid. He has a slashing, entertaining wit, but his braggart narcissism is on painful display. He speaks in simplistic polarities of "winners" versus "losers," as if geopolitics were a jangling Atlantic City casino. He sets high goals but lacks real answers to any government issue. Trump is a Trojan Horse sent by the crafty Clinton machine. He has a bellyful of swords aimed at GOP hearts.

    Jeb Bush

    Is there a blander, more boring personality in American politics? The guy looks like the runny yolk of a fried egg. He's trying to be assertive tonight because he's been told he needs to project "passion." But when his lips move, there's still a big blank. Why the heck the major media hails him as the GOP frontrunner is beyond comprehension — except that big money has been showering down on him like powdered sugar on a donut. Why do Jeb's smiles remind me of a dimply grandmother? He could and should have been a high school principal. I don't see him on the world stage, holding the line against ISIS.

    Ben Carson

    What is this brilliant brain surgeon doing in the political arena? He seems like a cordial, genial, thoughtful fellow, but he's shy and diffident and seriously out of place in this pugilistic forum. Not only is he uncomfortable in the harsh spotlight, but he has arrived strikingly ill-prepared with positioning on major policy issues. At the end, he lands some sharp blows on Hillary Clinton, but overall he did not distinguish himself enough from the other candidates, nor did he even demonstrate much interest in the mechanics of governance.

    Chris Christie

    A refreshing flow of specifics from a hands-on governor, but Christie will never fly as presidential material. He has a braying, jabbering manner like an old-style big-city mayor of the Fiorello La Guardia era. There's something too baby-like about him. I was thinking Fatty Arbuckle? John Belushi? Under the bravado there's a hint of chaos. Maybe it's the mismatch between his ski-jump nose (not what he had in high school) and those bouncy plump lips. Anyhow, aside from his disqualifying history of thuggish behavior, Christie is too Northeastern provincial for nationwide appeal.

    Marco Rubio

    What a nice, bright, earnest young man! When he graduates from the college debating team, he will have a rosy future! Oh, er, he's 44 years old? Computer crash! Rubio is very smooth but also oddly slick. He seems caught in a time warp of self-stunted maturation, a son shying away from the Olympus of father-gods. Sorry, but this won't work in the White House. Try again in a decade or two?

    Mike Huckabee

    Very forceful when he calls for the abolition of bloated government agencies or asserts the "personhood" of the fetus, but everything else is rote, memorized, formulaic, even his gestures. Huckabee seems like a survivor from the Bob Hope or Art Linkletter era of TV pitchman. He's like a retro character actor you've seen in a hundred movies but whose name you can't remember. Despite his physical robustness, there's something unreal or porous about him. Voters must have a sixth sense for Huckabee's artificiality, because his presidential bids have always floundered.

    Rand Paul

    What a disaster! This was probably the worst debate performance in recent memory. I agree with most of Rand Paul's libertarian principles, but he certainly did them no favor tonight. He seemed surly, seething and discourteous from start to finish — like a petulant schoolboy kept after class. There was not an iota of presidential promise or gravitas. Who would want this squirming urchin as the nation's representative at an international summit? And what bizarre self-presentation — the overlarge Peter Pan collar and tie, the disorderly forehead locks, the unshaven cheeks and what sure looked like white highlighting under plucked brows. Caligula, anyone?

    Ted Cruz

    Way, way too much subtext. Big, strange-looking guy with an almost womanly face. Whip smart but on a monomaniacal mission for world salvation. Announces, to great applause, that his No. 1 attribute is he "will always tell the truth." Red alert: a bruiser of a politician who thinks he has a corner on truth. Cruz's expression is habitually close to a sneer, which he offsets with pleading, faux puppy-dog eyebrows. He knows history and military affairs, but he's no negotiator — he's a General Patton prima donna.
    Scott Walker

    Underwhelming tonight. Comes off as cheerful and upbeat, like a pleasant sitcom dad. A strong closing statement but seemed recessive and noncompetitive for most of the debate. Was classy and gracious (unlike the fidgety, self-absorbed Rand Paul) in turning respectfully toward Ben Carson as he spoke, but seemed to opt out from the general strife. Perhaps overconcerned with his reputation as a union-busting flame-thrower, Walker tried to be reassuring and just seemed limited and repetitious. A junior spectator, not a national leader.

    John Kasich

    Buoyed by the crowd's enthusiastic support of his tenure as governor of Ohio, Kasich came on strong in the debate. His brusque, animated gestures are awkward but manlike in a solid, old-fashioned way. Kasich is a genuine populist with working-class family ties. He made the Princeton-educated Cruz look effete tonight. Kasich was full of specifics about his congressional experience on the armed services and budget committees. I think he won the debate. Kasich is a mensch in a party of parakeets.

    Carly Fiorina

    Midway through the event, Fox News inserted a clip of Fiorina at the earlier debate of candidates who hadn't made the cut. For a surreal moment, I thought it was Dustin Hoffman in drag in Tootsie — it was exactly the same lilting Heartland accent. There is universal agreement that Fiorina won her debate hands down. Let's hope she is automatically promoted to the big league at the next GOP debate. Throw the male duds overboard!
     
  19. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    Trump has been a little bit of everything over the years. He's been officially a registered Republican since 2012. He's also given way more money over the years to Republicans than he has to Democrats, at least at the federal level.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/trump-a-republican-for-now-908431

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/
     
  20. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    Plus, Trump's a billionaire. What could Hillary Clinton (or anyone else for that matter) possibly offer him to be a spoiler for the GOP? And even if they had this planned out years ago they would have had no way of knowing that he'd end up being the frontrunner at this point. If he was playing spoiler he'd have to be doing it out of the kindness of his heart and since we're talking about Donald Trump we can pretty much rule that out.
     

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