Random Political comments...

Bliss said:
So l looked up the Ad, made during an extended crime wave in your city.

Keeping in context, I agree 100% with it.
Do you? If not, why not.

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If this was his stance all along... Ok, I could understand. As I said before. There's nothing about him that's remotely giving, nor would he ever be mistaken for a humanitarian. Yes, NYC had a serious crime problem in the 1970s, but it also continued well into the 80s. No one knew Trump as one to speak out on crime. The difference here... The "Central Park jogger" as she was called was a 28 year old white woman and I think she was an investment banker, and of course the suspects were 5 minority teenagers. I'd bet my mortgage that the characteristics of both the jogger and the suspects were strong factors in him suddenly becoming a concerned citizen.

Death penalty - I'm all for law and order, but I do not support the death penalty. Rirst, I think we're seeing that it's not a crime deterrent. Also... I have my own selfish reason for opposing the death penalty. Just being a BM is enough for me. It seems that every other month we're hearing about some innocent black male who has spent years (sometimes decades) in jail for crimes they didn't commit. I imagine they're plenty of others who haven't been lucky enough to be exonerated. That said we're living in a racist society where merely being a BM gets me labelled as a thug and so on. There's no way I'll support the death penalty, and people with Trump's way of thinking are a huge part of the problem.
 
DudeNY12 said:
If this was his stance all along... Ok, I could understand. As I said before. There's nothing about him that's remotely giving, nor would he ever be mistaken for a humanitarian. Yes, NYC had a serious crime problem in the 1970s, but it also continued well into the 80s. No one knew Trump as one to speak out on crime. The difference here... The "Central Park jogger" as she was called was a 28 year old white woman and I think she was an investment banker, and of course the suspects were 5 minority teenagers. I'd bet my mortgage that the characteristics of both the jogger and the suspects were strong factors in him suddenly becoming a concerned citizen.

Death penalty - I'm all for law and order, but I do not support the death penalty. Rirst, I think we're seeing that it's not a crime deterrent. Also... I have my own selfish reason for opposing the death penalty. Just being a BM is enough for me. It seems that every other month we're hearing about some innocent black male who has spent years (sometimes decades) in jail for crimes they didn't commit. I imagine they're plenty of others who haven't been lucky enough to be exonerated. That said we're living in a racist society where merely being a BM gets me labelled as a thug and so on. There's no way I'll support the death penalty, and people with Trump's way of thinking are a huge part of the problem.
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Your thoughts on the Tawana Brawley case?
So when a white female jogger was brutally raped and beaten to near death and these 5 teens confessed...at the time, what were your thoughts on the crime?
 
archangel said:
Let's not forgot that business is not government. This is why it takes one president one attempt to get health care through and another with multiple attempts. Experience counts. Of which Trump has none....

Even with the experience that Obama had, they still question such a short amount of time. Senate Members have been caught trashing trump for his lack of experience. These members were in his own party to make it even worse.
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No republican voted for the ACA and Democrats voted for it sight unseen, lol. All hail the King.
 
Since1980 said:
Lol no, but nice try. Go back and read all of my posts on politics and everything I ever said about Barack Obama; I never said he was perfect and I never said that he knew about everything. No one does because that would be impossible. But just to give one small example unlike Trump, Obama does understand how the balance of powers between the three branches works. Contrary to Trump's belief the legislative branch doesn't exist to protect the executive branch. Nearly every time Trump opens his mouth he shows just how little he knows about the job he's been elected to do.

That's the difference between good leaders and bad leaders: good leaders realize that they don't know everything, make an effort to learn about things they don't know and surround themselves with people who have knowledge in areas that they don't. Bad leaders? They surround themselves with yes men, demand loyalty and devotion from those yes men, and throw people under the bus the minute that they're no longer needed.

And contrary to Trump, Obama didn't spend his days and nights obsessed with what newspapers and morning cable news shows had to say about him; when he wanted the ACA passed he took an incredibly active role in making that happen. If Trump at least tried to look like he actually cared about an issue that he campaigned extensively on I might be inclined to cut him a bit of slack but he's just as lazy as he has ever been, preferring to play golf and rant about fake news as opposed to actually trying to learn about something he claims to care about.

And no, $3.5 million is not even close to a small inheritance lol. Even if it was small compared to what his father was actually worth it's still a lot of money any way you look at it. That much money would have most people set for life.

You're letting your blind, unquestioning devotion to all things Trump blind you to all of his flaws and problems.
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FIRST 100 DAYS...

Jan. 20—signed S.84, a bill to allow the appointment of someone for secretary of defense who has not been retired from the Armed Forces for at least seven years. Gen. Jim Mattis had only been retired for three years, requiring a waiver from Congress in order to be confirmed for the Cabinet post—Trump signed this on Inauguration Day.

· Jan. 31—signed H.R.72, the GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017, which authorized the Government Accountability Office to obtain federal agency records required to discharge GAO duties.

· Feb. 28—signed H.R. 255, Promoting Women in Entrepreneurship Act.

· Feb. 28—signed H.R. 321, Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers, and Explorers (INSPIRE) Women Act.

· March 13—signed H.R. 609, a bill to designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pa., as the “Abie Abraham VA Clinic.”

· March 21—signed S. 442, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act.

· March 28—signed S. 305, the Vietnam War Veterans Recognition Act.

· March 31—signed H.R. 1362, a bill to name the Department of Veterans Affairs community-based clinic in Pago Pago, American Samoa, the “Faleomavaega Eni Fa’aua’a Hunkin VA Clinic.”

· March 31—signed S.J. Res 1, a joint resolution to approve the location of a memorial to commemorate and honor members of Armed Forces who served in active duty in Operation Desert Storm or Operation Desert Shield.

· April 3—signed H.R. 1228, a bill to allow the appointment of members of the Board of Directors of the Office of Compliance to replace members whose terms expire during 2017.

· April 18—signed H.R. 353, the Weather Research and Forecasting Innovation Act.

· April 19---signed S. 544, a bill to amend Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014 to change the termination date for the Veterans Choice Program.

· April 19—signed S.J. Res 30, a joint resolution to reappoint Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents for the Smithsonian Institution.

· April 19—signed S.J. Res 35, a joint resolution to appoint Michael Govan as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents for the Smithsonian Institution.

· April 19—signed S.J. Res 36, a joint resolution to appoint Roger Ferguson as a citizen regent of Board of Regents for the Smithsonian Institution.



Signed 30 executive orders

Trump signed 30 executive orders in his first 100 days. By comparison, during their first 100 days, President Barack Obama signed 19, George W. Bush signed 11, and Bill Clinton signed 13. The last time any president came close to Trump in signed orders was President Lyndon B. Johnson, who signed 26.

Visited 11 states for events

Trump has traveled to 11 states for 13 events outside of Washington, D.C., since he took the oath of office-- not including weekend trips to Mar-a-Lago, or Saturday's visit to Pennsylvania.

· Pennsylvania: Jan. 26—Trump went to the GOP retreat in Philadelphia

· Delaware: Feb. 1—Trump visited Dover Air Force Base for the arrival of the remains of a U.S Navy SEAL killed in combat.

· Florida: Feb. 6—Trump went to U.S. Central Command in Tampa and gave a speech.

· South Carolina: Feb. 17 –Trump went to North Charleston for the introduction of Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner.

· Florida: Feb. 18—Trump went to Melbourne for his first rally since he became president.

· Maryland: Feb. 24—Trump attended CPAC outside Washington.

· Virginia: March 2—Trump gave a speech aboard the Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier.

· Florida: March 3—Trump discussed education at St. Andrews Catholic School in Pine Hills.

· Michigan: March 15—Trump gave a speech at the American Center for Mobility in Detroit.

· Tennessee: March 15—Trump held a rally in Hermitage on the 250thbirthday of Andrew Jackson.

· Kentucky: March 20—Trump had a rally in Louisville to promote the first GOP plan to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

· Wisconsin: April 18—Trump signed the “Buy American, Hire American” executive order in Kenosha.

· Georgia: April 28—Trump spoke at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum in Atlanta.


Had in-person meetings with 15 foreign leaders

Trump has met with 15 foreign leaders in his first 100 days, five of which were leaders of Middle Eastern countries.

· United Kingdom: British Prime Minister Theresa May, held joint press conference

· Jordan: King Abdullah II (twice)

· Japan: Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, held joint press conference

· Canada: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, held joint press conference

· Israel: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, held joint press conference

· Peru: President Pedro Pablo Kuczynski

· Saudi Arabia: Deputy Crown Prince and Minister of Defense Mohammed bin Salman Abdulaziz Al Saud

· Ireland: Prime Minister Edna Kenny

· Germany: Chancellor Angela Merkel, held joint press conference

· Iraq: Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi

- Denmark: Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen

· Egypt: President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi

· China: President Xi Jingping

· Italy: Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni, held joint press conference

- Argentina: President Mauricio Macri



Held 1 solo press conference, held 8 with foreign leaders

Trump only gave one solo press conference in the first 100 days. The rest were joint press conferences with foreign leaders.



Spent 7 weekends at Mar-a-Lago

Trump has spent seven of the 13 weekends of his presidency at his Palm Beach property, Mar-a-Lago, which many refer to as the ‘southern White House’.

In total, Trump has spent 25 days at Mar-a-Lago—10 full days, 15 half days—that’s an estimated 419 ¼ hours in Palm Beach County as president.

· Feb. 3-6: the weekend included a Super Bowl watch party and the 60thAnnual Red Cross Ball at Trump International.

· Feb. 10-12: Trump hosted Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at Mar-a-Lago, went golfing, and had a news conference in response to a North Korean missile launch.

· Feb. 17-20: Trump had a rally in Melbourne, Fla.

· March 3-5: Trump spent the weekend in Palm Beach.

· March 17-19: Trump, the first lady, and their son Barron went to Mar-a-Lago. Trump visited his Trump International Golf Club, and Vice President Pence stopped by on March 18.

· April 6-9: Trump had Chinese President Xi Jinping for a visit -- and ordered missile strikes on Syria from the situation room in Mar-a-Lago.

· April 13-16: Trump and his family spent Easter weekend at Mar-a-Lago, got in a couple of rounds of golf, and attended Easter mass at Episcopal Church of Bethesda-by-the-Sea.



Golfed 16 times

Trump has gone on at least 16 golf outings since becoming president—all of which have been on Saturdays and Sundays and at Trump-branded courses.

· 13 have been at Trump International in West Palm Beach

· 1 at Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Fla.

· 2 at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va.

Bryan Murphy and Amy Leedecke contributed to this report.
 
Bliss said:
No republican voted for the ACA and Democrats voted for it sight unseen, lol. All hail the King.
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How many Democrats voted for this last attempt?
You are given the keys to all branches and it still takes you what 3 attempts. Experience is King on this planet.
 
What are Trump's top 10 accomplishments since entering office with a majority Republicans in the House and Senate????
 
Loki said:
Bliss, just to keep things lighthearted, sometimes I feel you are in the bubble like the video below.

That being said, on deportations, directly from the link I sent you, "President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."

Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

I have pointed this out to you at least 3 times before, either you just did not read it before, or you are determined to stay in the bubble, but once again, Obama's numbers DO NOT INCLUDE turn arounds at the border. And the same method of counting for prior Presidents was used to calculate Obama's numbers.

On the unemployment numbers you misunderstood, most anti-Obama arguments regarding unemployment numbers center on the fact that the LFPR dropped at the same time the unemployment rate was being cut in half under Obama, so that drop in the LFPR skewed the unemployment numbers and made them look better than they actually were. My point is that the LFPR has been dropping since 2001 and the unemployment rate skyrocketed under Bush, yet fell under Obama. And that is exactly what your washington post article was trying to argue, that just does not hold water.

As for the Racial schism, I can post youtube video after youtube video throughout his Presidency, where he was calling for racial unity and harmony, I would strongly disagree with you that mentioning the troubled racial past of this country is somehow turning his back on the healing and call for togetherness that was his cornerstone policies regarding race. Please show me one example of how he "fell back" from unity and togetherness. For example look at one of his last interviews on race per below, very eloquent, balanced, and speaking with compassion for all while speaking from a place of truth and strength.



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I thought your bubble clip was ridic if you think that's me. (plus l dislike Keith Olbermann). Leftist are so condescending.
However in keeping with the jokes...l do love this comment by a reader...

"I voted for Trump, but have no problem criticizing him for things I don't like. My wife is a well-educated woman and former school teacher, but she defends every thing he does, no matter how asinine it is. I think this is part of the "Ladies love bad guys." phenomenon."

Ha.ha.

The other clip...confirmed my point on Obama. Lol.
 
Bliss said:
Your thoughts on the Tawana Brawley case?
So when a white female jogger was brutally raped and beaten to near death and these 5 teens confessed...at the time, what were your thoughts on the crime?
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Bliss... I was just 12-13 at the time when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday. Like most New Yorkers... We were shocked, saddened and outraged. My position on suspects was that I simply hoped they were indeed the perps and that they'd pay the price for their actions. At the time we were glad the police had who they believed to be the perps, but years later when it became questionable... Like any reasonable person... I was in favor of the 5 being exonerated if evidence showed that they weren't guilty. I was glad the victim recovered, but my heart went out to her. I recall that she didn't remember most or all or the attack, which I think is good in terms of her getting on with her life. I think the difference is... most (myself included) saw her as a very unfortunate victim of a horrible crime that nearly took her life. Her race didn't matter. To us... she's a person who didn't deserve what happened to her. Again, I think Trump was motivated by who she was and who they were.

Brawley - Again, outrage and all that comes with it when firt reported. As time went on... Sadly, I think she simply made a fool of Sharpton.
 
Bliss said:
No republican voted for the ACA and Democrats voted for it sight unseen, lol. All hail the King.
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Simply not true Bliss, the Democrats did not vote for the ACA sight unseen Bliss, there were televised negotiations of the bill, WITH REPUBLICANS present and contributing on C-span, per below and, "When Democrats passed the Affordable Care Act, the Senate Finance Committee held more than 50 hearings, roundtables, and walkthroughs on health reform. They spent eight days marking up the legislation, [and] there were more than 130 amendments,” the source said. “There is zero comparison between the process that Senate Republicans are going through right now… and the process that Democrats had to go through.”

http://www.realclearhealth.com/arti...cretive_in_contrast_to_obamacare_110640.html#!


 
DudeNY12 said:
Bliss... I was just 12-13 at the time when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday. Like most New Yorkers... We were shocked, saddened and outraged. My position on suspects was that I simply hoped they were indeed the perps and that they'd pay the price for their actions. At the time we were glad the police had who they believed to be the perps, but years later when it became questionable... Like any reasonable person... I was in favor of the 5 being exonerated if evidence showed that they weren't guilty. I was glad the victim recovered, but my heart went out to her. I recall that she didn't remember most or all or the attack, which I think is good in terms of her getting on with her life. I think the difference is... most (myself included) saw her as a very unfortunate victim of a horrible crime that nearly took her life. Her race didn't matter. To us... she's a person who didn't deserve what happened to her. Again, I think Trump was motivated by who she was and who they were.

Brawley - Again, outrage and all that comes with it when firt reported. As time went on... Sadly, I think she simply made a fool of Sharpton.
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Reading your concern for her was very nice.

Honestly I feel like that if you're for a victim who happens to be white and whom the perpetrator happens to be black - if you speak out about it, you're a racist. I mean, at the time, everybody thought they were the perpetrators... It wasn't so much that they were black that it was that they inflicted such trauma upon this woman who was just jogging. And from what I understand there was a lot of Wilding going on in NY, a trem the 5 boys coined to explain what they were doing in the Park that night.

I don't agree with Trump not changing his position knowing the facts today, but at the time I think he was entitled to feel outrage, and not be called a racist over it.

It was not unlike Sharpton's reaction of rage for Tawana. Sharpton has not apologized has he? and he directly accused the cops of false rape- it wasn't even a case of false confession and arrest.
 
Bliss said:
Golfed 16 times

Trump has gone on at least 16 golf outings since becoming president—all of which have been on Saturdays and Sundays and at Trump-branded courses.

· 13 have been at Trump International in West Palm Beach

· 1 at Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Fla.

· 2 at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va.

Bryan Murphy and Amy Leedecke contributed to this report.
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Trump has golfed more than any of the last 3 presidents in their 100 days. His friend Bill came in second!
 
Loki said:
Genuinely curious, how could you possibly feel President Obama was divisive in that interview on Race?
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Because Obama had a way of being very passive-aggressive and he as much admitted it, in that he said he holds his tongue and looks for a diplomatic way in which to basically say "you're racist". But racism is relative - its definition has become so diluted in that it's used to explain almost every act of unfairness. Thus, how a person reacts to a situation is the only indicator, and they get to decide. Well, every person in every situation is different - what you may find racist treatment, another person may not.
His examples he used, one being being passed over for a job - we absolutely know that that happens on the basis of race, but it also happens for other reasons, however those other reasons never enter the equation - it's always black or white ( no pun intended).

I laughed when Trevor said, 'when white people talk about race, they're talking about race but when black people do it, it's there goes the black person again'....

whereas I see it is when white people talk about race, even though they're half of the equation, they're dismissed and told "you don't understand, called a racist, privileged, a nazi - their can never be an honest dialogue because there are too many obstructions already in place.

Even being here for example, I'm called racist, when it's the farthest from the truth, but at this juncture, I don't care because it's just a word now that's thrown out when you disagree with me. (Not you, but a couple of others here).
 
archangel said:
Trump has golfed more than any of the last 3 presidents in their 100 days. His friend Bill came in second!
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Curious... was Obama even an avid golfer when he became the President? It seems like he developed a taste for it after being elected. So really, we should judge his golfing behavior by when he became obsessed with it. Had he been a golfer from the beginning, for sure he would have been on the links just like Trump, lol.
 
Bliss said:
Reading your concern for her was very nice.

Honestly I feel like that if you're for a victim who happens to be white and whom the perpetrator happens to be black - if you speak out about it, you're a racist. I mean, at the time, everybody thought they were the perpetrators... It wasn't so much that they were black that it was that they inflicted such trauma upon this woman who was just jogging. And from what I understand there was a lot of Wilding going on in NY, a trem the 5 boys coined to explain what they were doing in the Park that night.

I don't agree with Trump not changing his position knowing the facts today, but at the time I think he was entitled to feel outrage, and not be called a racist over it.

It was not unlike Sharpton's reaction of rage for Tawana. Sharpton has not apologized has he? and he directly accused the cops of false rape- it wasn't even a case of false confession and arrest.
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Let me put it this way. If the victim had been black or latino... He doesn't buy that ad. Of course that's just me speculating, but that's the type of person he's shown himself to be, in my opinion. So even now when he can be so critical of many, then in the next breath say that he needs to research the KKK before disavowing them... Really??? He's been that sheltered to not know of the infamous KKK?.. This dude is racist as heck (amongst other things) and clearly has no use for anyone who looks like me.
 
Bliss said:
Because Obama had a way of being very passive-aggressive and he as much admitted it, in that he said he holds his tongue and looks for a diplomatic way in which to basically say "you're racist". But racism is relative - its definition has become so diluted in that it's used to explain almost every act of unfairness. Thus, how a person reacts to a situation is the only indicator, and they get to decide. Well, every person in every situation is different - what you may find racist treatment, another person may not.
His examples he used, one being being passed over for a job - we absolutely know that that happens on the basis of race, but it also happens for other reasons, however those other reasons never enter the equation - it's always black or white ( no pun intended).

I laughed when Trevor said, 'when white people talk about race, they're talking about race but when black people do it, it's there goes the black person again'....

whereas I see it is when white people talk about race, even though they're half of the equation, they're dismissed and told "you don't understand, called a racist, privileged, a nazi - their can never be an honest dialogue because there are too many obstructions already in place.

Even being here for example, I'm called racist, when it's the farthest from the truth, but at this juncture, I don't care because it's just a word now that's thrown out when you disagree with me. (Not you, but a couple of others here).
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You have very little Knowledge about racism other than what is told to you by racist and the watered down version of it by the media, political system and education system. A lot of Trump supporters believe it is just a word to get thrown out there when you don't agree with someone to try and protect their racist beliefs, and a lot of the times it is that belief that they choose to justify racism. "racism is just word they use when don't agree with you." That satisfies and justifies what they feel. It's like this "A libtard is what the right call you when they don't agree with you." Ignorance is like dreaming, not everybody knows they are until they wake up.

You're blaming Obama for a racial divide based on beliefs implanted in you by loyalty to Trump as you defend and glance over the racist things he has done, but dismiss and ignore the things Obama has done that disproves he is a contributor to a racial divide. I don't care how many black people Trump has hired to work for him, don't care how many black people he shakes hands with, friends with, ect. Because I have actual knowledge about racism and I'm not going to do what you did and ignore and most certainly not defend all of his on the record racist things and remarks as I'am not blinded with loyalty. Especially for someone I never voted for.

People here have constantly listed, dissected, pointed out all of the racist things he has done and said, but all you see are liberals telling you that. Well I'm not a liberal Bliss, and I most certainly not a conservative. I'm just a guy that is going to tell you that Donald Trump does not give a fuck about unarmed black men being killed by bad police officers.
 
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