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Thump
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Nope, not what I said. I said repeal and replace with a better law.
Loki
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If this weren't fact, l'd have put it in the conspiracy thread, but it's been revealed today that David Hogg was not at the school during the shooting.
He was at home.
He was speaking days after in an interview that is now going viral, explaining that "..On the day of the shooting, he grabbed his camera, and got on his bike and rode the 3 miles to the school from his house, to interview a bunch of the student witnesses.
Then we have the 'famous' video recording of him saying he is "there, hiding with classmates during the shooting." WTF?
You can't make this stuff up, even though Hogg apparently has.
No it should certainly go in the conspiracy theory thread Bliss..
David Hogg not at school during shooting? Bloggers spread misinformation
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...-hogg-not-school-during-shooting-s-fake-news/
"David Hogg admits he wasn’t at school during Parkland school shooting," says a headline on DailyPresser.com.
None of those claims are true.
The inaccurate posts say that Hogg’s comments directly contradict statements in a Feb. 15 Time Magazine interview. Hogg said he heard a gunshot while sitting in an AP environmental science class around 2:30 p.m.
The blogs juxtaposed that statement with the following statement from Hogg in the CBS documentary: "On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting."
People questioned how Hogg could be at school when the shooting started and also be riding his bike three miles to get his camera. And if Hogg really did leave school; how did he get back on to campus if the area was on lockdown?
The timeline presented in this way is a bit confusing, but the blogs didn’t try to fairly settle the seeming discrepancy.
Here’s what happened.
Hogg was at the school during the shooting. Hogg shot a video on his cellphone while taking cover in a classroom closet.
Sometime after that, he went home.
At around 6 p.m., Hogg went back to get interviews, according to Vox.
"The evening after the shooting, Hogg says, he biked up to the school, where the media was still camped out," the article says. "This time, he put himself in front of the camera, making his first — but not final — plea for an end to mass shootings."
Regardless of this information, other conservative news websites including InfoWars and RedState jumped the gun and reported that the CBS interview "cast doubt" on Hogg’s whereabouts during the school shooting.
Sometime after the original stories, both websites issued "updates" on their stories to say that the CBS video included Hogg’s quote without context.
But not every site did.
Bliss
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No, it certainly SHOULD NOT be in the Conspiracy Thread. The kid spoke it HIMSELF. I saw it. There was no juxtaposition. How can Politifact even assure you its a "pants on fire" lie when it's people simply calling out his ACTUAL interview discrepancy?No it should certainly go in the conspiracy theory thread Bliss..
David Hogg not at school during shooting? Bloggers spread misinformation
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...-hogg-not-school-during-shooting-s-fake-news/
"David Hogg admits he wasn’t at school during Parkland school shooting," says a headline on DailyPresser.com.
None of those claims are true.
The inaccurate posts say that Hogg’s comments directly contradict statements in a Feb. 15 Time Magazine interview. Hogg said he heard a gunshot while sitting in an AP environmental science class around 2:30 p.m.
The blogs juxtaposed that statement with the following statement from Hogg in the CBS documentary: "On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting."
People questioned how Hogg could be at school when the shooting started and also be riding his bike three miles to get his camera. And if Hogg really did leave school; how did he get back on to campus if the area was on lockdown?
The timeline presented in this way is a bit confusing, but the blogs didn’t try to fairly settle the seeming discrepancy.
Here’s what happened.
Hogg was at the school during the shooting. Hogg shot a video on his cellphone while taking cover in a classroom closet.
Sometime after that, he went home.
At around 6 p.m., Hogg went back to get interviews, according to Vox.
"The evening after the shooting, Hogg says, he biked up to the school, where the media was still camped out," the article says. "This time, he put himself in front of the camera, making his first — but not final — plea for an end to mass shootings."
Regardless of this information, other conservative news websites including InfoWars and RedState jumped the gun and reported that the CBS interview "cast doubt" on Hogg’s whereabouts during the school shooting.
Sometime after the original stories, both websites issued "updates" on their stories to say that the CBS video included Hogg’s quote without context.
But not every site did.
Politifact also never explain: Why go home to grab your camera and "race to interview students", when you HAD YOUR CAMERA ALREADY.
You were RIGHT THERE, ALREADY.
So why go home to come back?
What parents let their child go back?
On a bicycle, no less?
3 miles, no less.
Why did he go home, and others stay? Word by police was the kids were all bussed to nearby hotels.
The school was on lockdown after the kids were removed. Who let him back in?
Why would they let him back in?
Where did he find all these fellow kids to interview, after 6pm?
Vox sound like are covering for the Left because this kid has become the 'face' of kids getting killed by kids. (The face used to try to shut down The NRA), and they will not give it up. Politifact is aiding them on that.
Do you not find the polar stories odd?
andreboba
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Repealing the 2nd Amendment wouldn't even ban owning a gun. You just wouldn't have a constitutional right to own one.
These young kids if they keep their fervor are going to get that shit overturned in a decade.
The 2nd Amendment has been exploited and misinterpreted for generations, until wehave a gun violence problem NONE of our allies suffers from.
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Loki
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I think you might be getting the timeline mixed up, he did not leave and come back "during" the shooting, he came back after it was over and the news crews were there interviewing people outside, he did not go back in per the article, he got "B'" roll footage from those outside. There were plenty of people milling around the school that evening.
Think about it Bliss, if he really was not there and then went on TV saying that he was, the kids he interviewed would have called him out on it in a split second, there would be no way to keep all those kids telling the lie. Hell even right wing news site "Red State" corrected their claims that he was not there https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tudent-david-hogg-whereabouts-during-shooting
andreboba
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If this weren't fact, l'd have put it in the conspiracy thread, but it's been revealed today that David Hogg was not at the school during the shooting.
He was at home.
He was speaking days after in an interview that is now going viral, explaining that "..On the day of the shooting, he grabbed his camera, and got on his bike and rode the 3 miles to the school from his house, to interview a bunch of the student witnesses.
Then we have the 'famous' video recording of him saying he is "there, hiding with classmates during the shooting." WTF?
You can't make this stuff up, even though Hogg apparently has.
You do realize the day of the shooting and its aftermath took place over several HOURS?? The actual shooting was only 6 minutes, but everything afterwards lasted well into the evening.
Hogg could, and was, there for the shooting, left the school after the shooting, went home and rode back to school.
Why don't you tell the full right wing conspiracy, that not only was Hogg not at school during the shooting, but is a paid crisis actor??smh
Bliss
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I didn't say he left during the shooting, I said that why would he leave after the shooting and then come back to interview people when he was already right there, it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense that he would get on a bicycle and ride for 3 miles back to a massacre. Where were his parents? Why would he even want to go back? People milling outside would not be the students - the students were removed from the premises and taken to nearby hotels or taken to their homes.
I also actually didn't question if he was there, until he himself said that he was at home.
Now all of a sudden, there's these added explanations and a "6pm" timeline to explain his comment that he was at home, grabbed his camera and got on his bike to ride to the school.
It just doesn't add up.
Even his new Vox addum is odd, it's quite descriptive... like he's telling a story..
"At 6 pm after the shooting, I took my camera, got on my bike. I rode in basically twilight. And I ride my bike three miles down winding sidewalks and find my way to the school, as I’ve done in previous years. All the while, I was making sure my camera bag didn’t rip open, because if you zip it a certain way, the camera falls out, and it would be destroyed."
Now compare it to the original comment he said on TV..
"On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and rode as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting."
I'm sorry...something is strangely off here.
Bliss
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andreboba
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Okie doke.
All of our NATO allies have strict gun controls, and not one of them is seen to be potentially threatened from a totalitarian regime.
In a democracy, you don't need an armed population to defend against tyranny. Besides to overthrow the government, you need the national military to be on board. 18th century laws don't work to regulate 21st century weapons.
Comparing these idealistic kids and their desire for common sense gun control to the fanaticism of Adolf Hitler is just sick.
Somewhere along the way you lost the ability for rational thought.
I guess you think all your native countrymen are idiots and fools for banning guns.
Talk about being conflicted against one's self.
Loki
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My First thoughts about the Hogg kid is that he is camera and fame hungry, not to say that he is not genuine in his activism and the tragedy, just that he loves to be in front of the camera. That being said, even if you do think something is off, there is no way, no way at all, to keep a bunch of teenagers all agreeing to the same lie to cover for Hogg, someone would have "broken" that story for sure, I would not doubt that some of the right wing sources have offered $ to anyone who would come forward to cast doubt on Hogg.
Thats the problem with most conspiracy theories in modern times Bliss, almost everyone is carrying a device that can record audio, video, and take pictures and can easily share them all. There is a 99.99999% certainty that if Hogg was lying about being there he would have been exposed with rock solid proof by now. I would even be willing to bet that someones home security camera would have caught him riding his bike those 3 miles at the wrong time if he was lying.
Bliss
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Exploring the same dichotomy, somebody has to explain how all the people who are yelling "Black Lives Matter" and "Don't trust the Government" are also the same people saying "we need to abolish the second Amendment" and we need more Government in our lives.
Bliss
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Excuse me Andreboba, spare me your feigned offense - as a law-abiding gun owner, l've been called a 'child murderer" by these puppeteered 'kids'.
Besides, no one is comparing them to Hitler - it's the message they're spreading for the DNC and Soros (who is behind all of it) that is being compared., which is identical to Hitler's and Lenin's and Castro's - all used to disarm their citizens. You think slapping these kid's faces all over, is actually about the kids? Get real.
I ask you similarly, where is your sense of awareness of what's really going on because you really have lost it somewhere along the way. Get woke.
Bliss
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Well at this juncture, my opinion on his part in all this is with a raised eye. Even with modern media, It took a while for this video to (re)emerge of him being at home and leaving. He never once said he went home and came back until the Vox statement.
Frankly, his words are all over the place, and as l said, l too believed he was there, only and up until this recent video's emergence. You can't really fault people for having a change of thought or question him, particularly since he has hogged enourmous Face-time out of all the victims in this, to have become THE victim.
Thus, his stories better make sense because he isnt just asking for sympathy, he wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and he's calling gun owners all sorts of vile names..So he should know his words better be truthful, or he will get exposed, sooner or later.
DudeNY12
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No, the sign is spot on, and I totally agree with it. They (like the clueless one in the WH) always want to distract from the obvious and grab stupid shit (like arming teachers and so on) out of thin air. I don't think anyone believes guns are the sole problem, but common sense says they're obviously a factor in the violence. While calmer heads are open to serious dialogue and such... The NRA (and followers) continue peddling the BS that guns/and access to them are not part of the problem.
Now they've lowered themselves to talking crap about the students for assembling and calling for action. Imagine that... These shootings are happening over and over, the powers that be continue to offer "thoughts and prayers" and somehow the students are being criticized for wanting real action. On top of that another genius suggestion. First there was the idea to arm the teachers, and now... The children taking CPR courses. Nice! So we'd have educators performing a critical LEO action, and students performing CPR. All of this to keep the NRA and it's followers happy. Gotta love all of this winning.
Thump
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The main difference is that the gun huggers are paranoid about a hypothetical tyrant government, and the people advocating for getting rid of guns are responding to actual violence.
Bliss
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Why do you call it stupid and grabbing out of thin air @ arming teachers. Being armed is not a new thing. It's just been kept from you, or it's not been a huge deal.
And so you know there are countless stories of people reciting that guns were very common at school in the back of trucks for whatever reason - hunting, self-defense, etc. There was never any fear.
Guns have never been an issue, until Governments emerged declaring they were and wanting absolute control, so they confiscated and banned them - that is what you now have with Communism societies and to a degree socialist ones.
The issue of increased violence has not become so because of gun ownership, but I dare say, something has changed in the psyche of people in the last 50 years. Whether it's psychotropic drugs, instability due to single-parent households, the realistic exposure to War-fare upon civilians via various media levels, as opposed to just soldiers at War... this is what needs to be explored, not the fact that somebody has access to a gun... people have always had access to guns.
In fact in many countries where people have access to guns there isn't this violence motivated by bullying, feelings of isolation, or whatever else reasons that these Maniacs give for mass killing.
Bliss
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I would rethink, if you think a tyranical Govt is "hypothetical" in the U.S.A
Good gracious, Thump. Don't make me post pictures. We have it good but not as good as you think. It's good and bad, but definitely NOT hypothetical in its bad.