Random Political comments...

[Loki]

Yep. Occupy Wall Street can't bring themselves to apologize, so they magically called it "satire".
Only a complete idiot or an apologist could look at those gruesome pictures of ripping a beating heart out of an ICE agent and excuse/defend that it's satire.

Its not satire.
Their photos and their addresses posted are not satire.
The call to stalk their homes and children is not satire.

Agree to disagree, and Im not OWS fan at all. When did they post addresses and photos and the stalking, I missed that news?

 

[Bliss]

Agree to disagree, and Im not OWS fan at all. When did they post addresses and photos and the stalking, I missed that news?

I posted it earlier...here is a snippet and their photos:

..NEXT: Comes the faces, profiles and addresses by ANTIFA:
Sam Lavigne
I scraped **** for people that work for ICE: https://t.co/MJuuyMeAal

“I’ve downloaded and made available the profiles of (almost) everyone....who works for ICE, 1,595 people in total. While I don’t have a precise idea of what should be done with this data set, I leave it here with the hope that researchers, journalists, and activists will find it useful,” Lavgine wrote in sharing the information.
It's still up:
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AND NOW, Actor Peter Fonda put out the call to his Progressive Liberal alt-left co-horts to.........
Go to the homes and the schools of ICE Agents and threaten their kids:

Antifa, a violent, so-called anti-fascist group, tweeted out a list of over 1,500 ^ Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents’ identities.

The Twitter account “nebraska antifa” sent out a tweet to its followers on Tuesday that linked to the personal information of ICE officers....
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Activists post home phone numbers, addresses of ICE employees

Updated on Jun 21, 2018

Local activists found their own uses for the information, tracking down ICE employees' social media profiles, phone numbers and home addresses and posting their findings on Facebook and Twitter.

Twitter user @NAmirite spread at least seven graphics fashioned to look like wanted posters titled "Meet Your Local ICE Gestapo Agent."

Six of the ICE employees live in the Portland area. A seventh is from Medford.

Lisa Batey, who currently chairs the Milwaukie City Council, was one of the metro-area ICE employees whose information was spread on social media.

Loki...
Wikkileaks went a step further..they posted 9000 current and former employees, PLUS any Govt IT workers, legal assistants, etc..

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WikiLeaks on Thursday published a database identifying more than 9,000 supposed current and former U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement employees, saying it is important for “increasing accountability.”

The database contains the employees’ publicly available personal information and job history...including deportation officers, IT workers, human resource interns and legal assistants, among others. The list includes their... profile photos and information on their educational background and the city and state in which they’re based.

“This information is an important public resource for understanding ICE programs and increasing accountability, especially in light of the extreme actions taken by ICE lately, such as the separation of children and parents at the US border,” WikiLeaks wrote in its description of the data set.

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Still think it's all satire?

 

[Bliss]

If the mother and daughter weren't separated, where are they now??

Because if they made it to the border, 100% they were separated.

Nope. Ice Agent even helped her and her child.

She has a good life in Honduras. Has a nice home. Nice car. Husband said his job pays well...

She is nothing but a slick/selfish, 2x line-skipper who abandoned her other kids and risked her youngest daughter's life, exposing her to human smugglers... to "go to America" .

Any American who did that would be called a horrible mother. Only libs call her "brave" and "desperate", running from poverty and drugs".

(Hey Nancy, tell that to your poster child mother who separated herself from her kids in Honduras.)


President Trump is correct.

 

[The Dark King]

l am mad at them, also.
And l've noted that specifically before.

I resent the fact that developers get 10 year tax abatements in my city while l pay real-estate tax.

By the same token, I realize that corporations do invest in the community, in that they create and provide jobs. We can have Flint cities, or we cam have prospering cities when big corps base there. You chose.

Additionally, Corporations don't break laws. If you don't like their benefits, then vote the legislatiors in who can change the laws. In the meantime, they don't break the law.

Now, illegal migrants do. Why is this even a debate?

Corporations don't break laws?
Yeah I'm tapping out

 

[andreboba]

Nope. Ice Agent even helped her and her child.

She has a good life in Honduras. Has a nice home. Nice car. Husband said his job pays well...

She is nothing but a slick/selfish, 2x line-skipper who abandoned her other kids and risked her youngest daughter's life, exposing her to human smugglers... to "go to America" .

Any American who did that would be called a horrible mother. Only libs call her "brave" and "desperate", running from poverty and drugs".

(Hey Nancy, tell that to your poster child mother who separated herself from her kids in Honduras.)


President Trump is correct.

You still don't know where she is right now. Until she's no longer in the custody of Homeland security, we just have to take the word of people who were tasked with separating parents from their children.

Let's wait and see what the mother actually says about how she was treated and if she was able to stay with her daughter.

There's no such thing as a good life in Honduras for the working poor. If you haven't seen where she lives, don't parrot that she has a good home and a nice car and her husband has a good job.

Honduras has become a narco state, similar to what Mexico turned into in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

 

[Bliss]

You still don't know where she is right now. Until she's no longer in the custody of Homeland security, we just have to take the word of people who were tasked with separating parents from their children.

Let's wait and see what the mother actually says about how she was treated and if she was able to stay with her daughter.

There's no such thing as a good life in Honduras for the working poor. If you haven't seen where she lives, don't parrot that she has a good home and a nice car and her husband has a good job.

Honduras has become a narco state, similar to what Mexico turned into in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

'Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed to CBS News the mother and daughter are being housed together at a facility in Texas and her immigration proceedings are ongoing.

"We were patrolling the border. It was after 10 o'clock at night," Border Patrol agent Carlos Ruiz told CBS News' David Begnaud. He was the first to encounter Sandra Sanchez and her daughter after they allegedly crossed the Rio Grande River into Texas illegally.

"We asked her to set the kid down in front of her, not away from her, she was right in front of her...So we can properly search the mother," Ruiz said. "So the kid immediately started crying as she set her down. I personally went up to the mother and asked her 'Are you doing OK? Is the kid OK?' and she said, 'Yes. She's tired and thirsty. It's 11 o'clock at night.'"

Getty photographer John Moore joined Agent Ruiz for a nearly nine-hour ride along on the border. He was just feet away from Sanchez and her daughter.

"I asked her how long she'd been traveling, and she gave me this very weary look, and she said she'd been on the road with her daughter for a month…. Imagine doing that with children. It's almost impossible to imagine."

"They're using it to symbolize a policy and that was not the case in this picture," Ruiz said. "It took less than two minutes. As soon as the search was finished, she immediately picked the girl up, and the girl immediately stopped crying."
Moore says Ruiz and other agents acted professionally that night...'

"We are also fathers, we are also sons, we are also have families, and we do care, and we do our jobs, and we treat these people as humanely and as best as we possibly can," Ruiz said.

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Parrot? So you know better than her husband?. Please AB, stop with your patronizing. She is not from a narco situation. She is a freaking selfish line-jumper. That's it. Stop believing the bullshit!

 

[Bliss]

Corporations don't break laws?
Yeah I'm tapping out

Since when is corporate 'welfare' criminal?
If corporations break laws they either get shut down or PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES.

 

[andreboba]

'Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed to CBS News the mother and daughter are being housed together at a facility in Texas and her immigration proceedings are ongoing.

"We were patrolling the border. It was after 10 o'clock at night," Border Patrol agent Carlos Ruiz told CBS News' David Begnaud. He was the first to encounter Sandra Sanchez and her daughter after they allegedly crossed the Rio Grande River into Texas illegally.

"We asked her to set the kid down in front of her, not away from her, she was right in front of her...So we can properly search the mother," Ruiz said. "So the kid immediately started crying as she set her down. I personally went up to the mother and asked her 'Are you doing OK? Is the kid OK?' and she said, 'Yes. She's tired and thirsty. It's 11 o'clock at night.'"

Getty photographer John Moore joined Agent Ruiz for a nearly nine-hour ride along on the border. He was just feet away from Sanchez and her daughter.

"I asked her how long she'd been traveling, and she gave me this very weary look, and she said she'd been on the road with her daughter for a month…. Imagine doing that with children. It's almost impossible to imagine."

"They're using it to symbolize a policy and that was not the case in this picture," Ruiz said. "It took less than two minutes. As soon as the search was finished, she immediately picked the girl up, and the girl immediately stopped crying."
Moore says Ruiz and other agents acted professionally that night...'

"We are also fathers, we are also sons, we are also have families, and we do care, and we do our jobs, and we treat these people as humanely and as best as we possibly can," Ruiz said.

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Parrot? So you know better than her husband?. Please AB, stop with your patronizing. She is not from a narco situation. She is a freaking selfish line-jumper. That's it. Stop believing the bullshit!

Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are listed by The Independent among the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...en-el-salvador-pakistan-nigeria-a7934416.html

Ms 13 has turned rural Honduras into a killing field. You need to get it out of your head that this woman was fleeing Honduras to America to see the sites.

It's sad that she left her other kids behind, but that doesn't change the fact that Honduras is a place NOBODY with their eyes on the future wants to raise a family.

 

[Bliss]

Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are listed by The Independent among the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...en-el-salvador-pakistan-nigeria-a7934416.html

Ms 13 has turned rural Honduras into a killing field. You need to get it out of your head that this woman was fleeing Honduras to America to see the sites.

It's sad that she left her other kids behind, but that doesn't change the fact that Honduras is a place NOBODY with their eyes on the future wants to raise a family.

Then let the whole country in, AB.
Why not, with your logic.

We have cities here with high murder rates too. Jamaica has a high murder rate. Mexico, too.
Doesn't mean every corner is a damn killing field.
Like every country there is good and bad areas. She wasnt from a bad area unless you're calling her husband a liar.

MS13 are primarily El Salvadoran, not Honduran.

 

[Bliss]

Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are listed by The Independent among the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...en-el-salvador-pakistan-nigeria-a7934416.html

Ms 13 has turned rural Honduras into a killing field. You need to get it out of your head that this woman was fleeing Honduras to America to see the sites.

It's sad that she left her other kids behind, but that doesn't change the fact that Honduras is a place NOBODY with their eyes on the future wants to raise a family.

Seriously AB, if you insist "she was running from killing fields" what mother leaves most of her kids behind to deal with that? It makes zero sense. You stay to PROTECT your children, not abandon them, and certainly not deliberately expose your most vulnerable to a whole MONTH of crossing Mexico and the desert in summertime and exposing her to other smugglers and coyotes...omg AB..wake up. She put her kid in extreme danger.

 

[Thump]

According to the non-partisan CBO, the U.S is headed for the highest national debt since the 1940's.

From Politico.com:

Within 16 years, the federal deficit is expected to be the largest in history, outpacing even the fiscal shortfalls that followed World War II, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates.

Congress’ recent tax and spending laws — along with ballooning costs of programs like Social Security and Medicare — also are driving up the amount the government pays in interest on money borrowed to make up for the gap in cash coming in and going out.

Indeed, those interest payments will exceed the cost of all Social Security spending within decades, CBO predicts. Interest costs also will be higher than discretionary spending, which amounts to all federal dollars Congress controls.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/26/cbo-federal-deficit-break-records-651929

It looks like we are going to be "winning" ourselves into a financial crisis in the next few years.

 

[andreboba]

I still don't understand how programs like Social security affect the national debt.

If you don't pay into the program, you don't collect.

 

[The Dark King]

According to the non-partisan CBO, the U.S is headed for the highest national debt since the 1940's.

From Politico.com:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/26/cbo-federal-deficit-break-records-651929

It looks like we are going to be "winning" ourselves into a financial crisis in the next few years.

Year? You're being too kind

 

[Bliss]

Democrat volunteer 'phones Republican congressman and threatens to MURDER his children over Trump's immigration policy'

• He told an intern 'don't try to find me because you won't' but FBI tracked him
• Key has called Mast's office 478 times along with other Republican politicians
• He claimed he never threaten the three young children's lives in the call
• But admitted 'saying something about Mast never seeing his kids again'

Mast has 3 kids

Unhinged liberal

And if you think this is all just harmless death threats towards his children..look how close this confrontational nutcase came to him in March.

After the deliberate assassination attempts of Republicans at the baseball field, it's only a matter of time before these homicidal loons act out again.

 

[DudeNY12]

I'm out of the country this week, and looking at the news... I'm so ashamed to live in a place with such a horrible, racist executive branch, and leaders in congress. I love my home, but these times are very discouraging.

 

[DudeNY12]

Let's see how this plays out.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...orea-nuclear-summit-trump-20180629-story.html

In the wake of his historic summit with Kim Jong Un, President Trump declared North Korea was “no longer a nuclear threat” — but more than a dozen U.S. officials poked holes in that claim Friday, revealing the isolated Communist regime has actually been escalating its nuclear proliferation efforts in recent months.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity with NBC News, said a previously unreported intelligence assessment compiled by the CIA and other U.S. agencies concludes North Korea has ramped up production of fuel for nuclear weapons at several secret testing sites.


North Korea is trying to placate the President and get as many concessions as possible from his administration while at the same holding on to the nuclear stockpiles it considers essential to its longevity as a nation, according to the officials.

A White House spokeswoman did not return a request for comment.


Shortly after his June 12 Singapore summit with Kim, Trump ordered the U.S. military to cease joint military exercises with South Korea that had been carried out for decades. Trump even called the exercises “war games” to Kim’s appreciation.

The Kim regime has put an end to its aggressive missile and nuclear tests since it began engaging in diplomatic talks with the White House, and Trump has touted that as proof his administration’s approach is effective.

But one of the U.S. officials countered that, while the tests have stopped, “there’s no evidence that they are decreasing stockpiles, or that they have stopped their production.”

“There is absolutely unequivocal evidence that they are trying to deceive the U.S.,” the official said.

The latest intelligence assessment reportedly asserts U.S. agencies have detected at least two secret nuclear sites in North Korea, in addition to Yongbyon, its main uranium enrichment plant.

The revelations come days after independent nuclear weapons watchdog 38north released satellite imagery showing North Korea was still making major improvements to the Yongbyon facility.

Trump has claimed Kim — a brutal, human rights-abusing dictator — “loves his people” and praised him as “very talented” after their high-profile meeting.

Upon his return from Singapore, the President touted North Korea’s “great potential.”

“Everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office,” he tweeted. “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience.”

 

[Bliss]

Wow... Who would have thought that the Democrats officially want open borders and the abolishment of (Illegal) Immigration Law Enforcement.
Heck, they even demand-marched for it this weekend.

Amazing, the power the illegals have over the Dem Party. Hmmmm...

 

[andreboba]

Wow... Who would have thought that the Democrats officially want open borders and the abolishment of (Illegal) Immigration Law Enforcement.
Heck, they even demand-marched for it this weekend.

Amazing, the power the illegals have over the Dem Party. Hmmmm...

Divide and conquer. False argument.

ICE wasn't established to hunt down illegal immigrants across the country.

I guess the 19 case investigators at ICE are for open borders too. They also want ICE disbanded.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/0...nded-in-letter-amid-abolish-ice-protests.html

 

[Bliss]

Divide and conquer. False argument.

ICE wasn't established to hunt down illegal immigrants across the country.

I guess the 19 case investigators at ICE are for open borders too. They also want ICE disbanded.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/0...nded-in-letter-amid-abolish-ice-protests.html

"Divide and conquer" argument is created to silence them.

As for ICE's purpose, it's right in your link...

"...created in 2003 in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, is responsible for both homeland security investigations (known as HSI) and for the deportation of undocumented migrants (known as ERO, for enforcement and removal operations)."

Do you know the difference between calling for ICE's entire abolishment by Liberals and Democrats,
and the 19's request that ICE be restructured into two groups - only because they feel the perception of ICE has been distorted by the false HYPE . Again, it's right there in the link.

"...The letter (from them) suggests splitting ICE into two separate agencies that focus separately on homeland security and deportation, which the agents say would “improve transparency, efficiency and effectiveness.”

 

[andreboba]

Divide and conquer. False argument.

ICE wasn't established to hunt down illegal immigrants across the country.

I guess the 19 case investigators at ICE are for open borders too.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/0...nded-in-letter-amid-abolish-ice-protests.html

"Divide and conquer" argument is created to silence them.

As for ICE's purpose, it's right in your link...

"...created in 2003 in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, is responsible for both homeland security investigations (known as HSI) and for the deportation of undocumented migrants (known as ERO, for enforcement and removal operations)."

Do you know the difference between calling for ICE's entire abolishment by Liberals and Democrats,
and the 19's request that ICE be restructured into two groups - only because they feel the perception of ICE has been distorted by the false HYPE . Again, it's right there in the link.

"...The letter (from them) suggests splitting ICE into two separate agencies that focus separately on homeland security and deportation, which the agents say would “improve transparency, efficiency and effectiveness.”

THe point you're missing, deliberately, is that ICE is not supposed to devoting 99% of its resources to tracking down illegal immigrants.
As a division of Homeland Security, the primary function of ICE is to thwart terrorist attacks and the trafficking of illegal drugs.

The Trump administration has re-purposed ICE to be an adjunct of the Border Patrol dealing primarily with illegal immigration.

Progressives saying that want ICE abolished means that ICE isn't supposed to be some illegal immigration commando force knocking on people's doors and taking them to jail for immigration violations.

What semantic difference is there between calling for 'disbanding' of ICE versus its 'abolishment'??

I guess when progressives say it, you spin it to mean they don't believe in border security AT ALL, even though the Dems have been pushing for a path to citizenship immigration bill since the Obama administration, which the GOP has rejected multiple times.

But when conservatives say ICE needs to go, they simply mean they don't have the proper resources to collect illegals and fight terrorism and halt drug trafficking.

You took a cheap shot Bliss to deliberately misrepresent what most Dems calling for the abolishment of ICE are even talking about.

To be honest, Homeland Security should be abolished and their tasks should be reassigned to those agencies originally responsible for protecting us from domestic and foreign terrorist threats.

HLS is a redundant bureaucracy when we already have the CIA, FBI and several other military intelligence agencies.