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K said:
It's also because of money. There is a huge amount of wealth in the LGBTQ community in CA and they are putting their money out to make sure they get heard.
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This is true. Though money isn’t the only factor, it is a huge help. This is a big part of what I’m talking about. Blacks have a huge amount of buying power. We run culture because of it. We spend more of what we make (to our detriment) on bullshit than any other group. If we channeled that money into our causes we would see the same kinds of gains that the LGBTQ community has.

Again, that’s no one’s fault except our own. We want to get upset over not getting what we want from the left. But, we refuse to do what’s necessary to get what we want from the left. Spending money is part of what’s necessary.
 
samson1701 said:
First off, not bowing out. But, I can see how you’d think that. I’m just not going to have a second political conversation with you when you have totally disregarded the facts I presented from the first one. Either argue those facts and prove them wrong or accept them as truth. Do one of those two and I will happily move on to the next argument.

See, this is what con-servatives do (not saying that’s what you are, but it’s how they argue). They can’t win an argument so they pivot to some other topic and then another after that. It’s like starting one fire and when someone begins putting that one out, they start another fire. They can never really win an argument. This is the social media version of shouting louder and it’s laughable.

To sum things up; you said black people don’t have the kind of political power it takes to get any meaningful legislation passed because we are only 12% of the population. I have proven that false with facts I believe to be true. So, again, either prove my original points wrong or admit they’re true. Then, we can move on to whatever argument you’d like. At which point I will, in all likelihood, once again, show you the errors in your lazily constructed ways of thought.
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Obviously we don't. If 55 years of no results isn't enough proof to you then you don't care for reality.

Even if you believed that you are right you would still address the obvious problem of why we haven't had any results.

Clearly you aren't solution oriented to begin with.

Now I see you talking about buying power to K. So obviously our political power alone isn't enough.

Good day
 
samson1701 said:
This is true. Though money isn’t the only factor, it is a huge help. This is a big part of what I’m talking about. Blacks have a huge amount of buying power. We run culture because of it. We spend more of what we make (to our detriment) on bullshit than any other group. If we channeled that money into our causes we would see the same kinds of gains that the LGBTQ community has.

Again, that’s no one’s fault except our own. We want to get upset over not getting what we want from the left. But, we refuse to do what’s necessary to get what we want from the left. Spending money is part of what’s necessary.
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Flat out lie

I mentioned market power in the beginning and you ignored that and focused your argument on political power.

You only mentioned that black people should "show up more," and be more vocal.

Typical intellectual dishonesty from a political talking head.
 
Hilarious, a Brownshirt DEMONCRAT BLMANTIFA Anarchist throws a molotov cocktail (yeah, you read that right, the terrorists' cocktail) and his comrade catches on fire..

 
Beasty said:
Obviously we don't. If 55 years of no results isn't enough proof to you then you don't care for reality.

Even if you believed that you are right you would still address the obvious problem of why we haven't had any results.

Clearly you aren't solution oriented to begin with.

Now I see you talking about buying power to K. So obviously our political power alone isn't enough.

Good day
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Yeah, I see the no results thing said quite a bit. And, it's false.
College graduation rates have more than doubled. Though, still not where they need to be.
Adjusted for inflation, the hourly wage has increased 30%
Adjusted for inflation, household income growth has outpaced white households. Though, the actual income amount still lags.
Black poverty rates have declined sharply in the past 50 years.
Black family wealth has increased 6 fold but is still nowhere near that of whites.
Infant mortality rates have plummeted from close to 35% to around 11%.

Don't get me wrong. There is a shit ton left to do. But, to say there hasn't been any progress is just not true. You'd know that if you took a minute to read up on what's actually going on rather than just rely on your own magical thinking.

And, I've given you my solution; black people, especially black men need to get involved in the political process. It's like being given a say in what's made for dinner only to turn it down. Then get pissed because you're served something you don't like.
Beasty said:
Flat out lie

I mentioned market power in the beginning and you ignored that and focused your argument on political power.

You only mentioned that black people should "show up more," and be more vocal.

Typical intellectual dishonesty from a political talking head.
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Nigga?!?!

How do you not comprehend that I didn't debate that point because I didn't think it was wrong? Market power is part of it. But, its not the only part. And, it is very different than actually making political contributions to causes and politicians we like. That's what I was talking about with K.

Do you always just see what you want to see? ...lol
 
samson1701 said:
Yeah, I see the no results thing said quite a bit. And, it's false.
College graduation rates have more than doubled. Though, still not where they need to be.
Adjusted for inflation, the hourly wage has increased 30%
Adjusted for inflation, household income growth has outpaced white households. Though, the actual income amount still lags.
Black poverty rates have declined sharply in the past 50 years.
Black family wealth has increased 6 fold but is still nowhere near that of whites.
Infant mortality rates have plummeted from close to 35% to around 11%.

Don't get me wrong. There is a shit ton left to do. But, to say there hasn't been any progress is just not true. You'd know that if you took a minute to read up on what's actually going on rather than just rely on your own magical thinking.

And, I've given you my solution; black people, especially black men need to get involved in the political process. It's like being given a say in what's made for dinner only to turn it down. Then get pissed because you're served something you don't like.


Nigga?!?!

How do you not comprehend that I didn't debate that point because I didn't think it was wrong? Market power is part of it. But, its not the only part. And, it is very different than actually making political contributions to causes and politicians we like. That's what I was talking about with K.

Do you always just see what you want to see? ...lol
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You haven't named one piece of legislation so you are just going to attribute any progress to the democratic party? I don't have time for this. I caught you in a lie now you act like you want to debate. Winning a debate is cool but when people care more about that than solutions it's a waste of my time. See how MKM's response was solution oriented? I thought you were to old for this type of nonsense.

Is this what you want. Pat yourself on the back and take it.
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Beasty said:
You haven't named one piece of legislation so you are just going to attribute any progress to the democratic party? I don't have time for this. I caught you in a lie now you act like you want to debate. Winning a debate is cool but when people care more about that than solutions it's a waste of my time. See how MKM's response was solution oriented? I thought you were to old for this type of nonsense.

Is this what you want. Pat yourself on the back and take it.
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1. I said I'd be more than happy to address anything you'd like after you address the facts I'd already stated. Prove them wrong or accept them. Easy as that.
2.What lie are you talking about? Just because you couldn't follow what I what I stated doesn't mean I lied about anything. So, where's the lie?
3. I gave you my solution. Like three or four times. If you don't agree with my solution, cool. But, don't act like I didn't present one just because you can't prove me wrong.
 
The mindset is clear:
Liberals = victim
Conservatives = victors

Black Conservatives debate Black Liberals

 
samson1701 said:
Yeah, I see the no results thing said quite a bit. And, it's false.
College graduation rates have more than doubled. Though, still not where they need to be.
Adjusted for inflation, the hourly wage has increased 30%
Adjusted for inflation, household income growth has outpaced white households. Though, the actual income amount still lags.
Black poverty rates have declined sharply in the past 50 years.
Black family wealth has increased 6 fold but is still nowhere near that of whites.
Infant mortality rates have plummeted from close to 35% to around 11%.

Don't get me wrong. There is a shit ton left to do. But, to say there hasn't been any progress is just not true. You'd know that if you took a minute to read up on what's actually going on rather than just rely on your own magical thinking.

And, I've given you my solution; black people, especially black men need to get involved in the political process. It's like being given a say in what's made for dinner only to turn it down. Then get pissed because you're served something you don't like.


Nigga?!?!

How do you not comprehend that I didn't debate that point because I didn't think it was wrong? Market power is part of it. But, its not the only part. And, it is very different than actually making political contributions to causes and politicians we like. That's what I was talking about with K.

Do you always just see what you want to see? ...lol
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Fam don't waste your time. Like you said conservative talking points are meant to confuse not to progress anywhere.
I also wanted to address black men being more politically involved comment you made. We do not get enough credit and it annoys me. We are only second to black women when it comes to loyalty to the Democratic party when we are by far the most persecuted group in this country. We are disenfranchised at every turn. We can all do more but constantly hearing black men don't do enough is simply not true. We are very politically involved but black women usually get most of the credit. In some cases well deserved in most cases not so much. A lot of people get credit for standing up against police brutality and speaking out but rarely is that credit given to black men unless used as the object in which to inspire non black people and black women. We only count once we're dead or brutalized.
Jamal Bowman destroyed an incumbent Democrat in NY yet dude gets little to no coverage like Cori Bush did or AOC who is from the same area. Same thing with Mondaire Jones and to the Charles Booker race in Kentucky. Very politically engaged black men fighting hard af for progressive ideals but getting no credit or coverage for it. I know this was long winded but I want us to get out of the habit of discounting or down playing our contributions. Other people will do it all day long we don't need to do it too.
 
Bliss said:
The mindset is clear:
Liberals = victim
Conservatives = victors

Black Conservatives debate Black Liberals

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This was filmed before 2020. Dollars to donuts says these people are far less conservative now. White conservatives are showing their whole ass right now.
 
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meowkittenmeow said:
Not as affective as feminism.
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You get where I was going with the market power right?

I wouldn't get into a shootout with buying power because other groups have more bullets. They are not consumer based, so when they bring out the big guns they would just outshoot us.

I would focus on building market power and voting for now until we build up more wealth as a community.
 
samson1701 said:
1. I said I'd be more than happy to address anything you'd like after you address the facts I'd already stated. Prove them wrong or accept them. Easy as that.
2.What lie are you talking about? Just because you couldn't follow what I what I stated doesn't mean I lied about anything. So, where's the lie?
3. I gave you my solution. Like three or four times. If you don't agree with my solution, cool. But, don't act like I didn't present one just because you can't prove me wrong.
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I stand by my previous statement.

A consumer based group that's only 12 percent of the population that gets into a shootout with buying power, zero market power and thinking that they are going to win and get more out of politics is just magical thinking. Now go do all the fundraising and lip singing that you want.
 
samson1701 said:
Yeah, I see the no results thing said quite a bit. And, it's false.
College graduation rates have more than doubled. Though, still not where they need to be.
Adjusted for inflation, the hourly wage has increased 30%
Adjusted for inflation, household income growth has outpaced white households. Though, the actual income amount still lags.
Black poverty rates have declined sharply in the past 50 years.
Black family wealth has increased 6 fold but is still nowhere near that of whites.
Infant mortality rates have plummeted from close to 35% to around 11%.

Don't get me wrong. There is a shit ton left to do. But, to say there hasn't been any progress is just not true. You'd know that if you took a minute to read up on what's actually going on rather than just rely on your own magical thinking.

And, I've given you my solution; black people, especially black men need to get involved in the political process. It's like being given a say in what's made for dinner only to turn it down. Then get pissed because you're served something you don't like.


Nigga?!?!

How do you not comprehend that I didn't debate that point because I didn't think it was wrong? Market power is part of it. But, its not the only part. And, it is very different than actually making political contributions to causes and politicians we like. That's what I was talking about with K.

Do you always just see what you want to see? ...lol
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Wait what?! Infant mortality rate of black people in America is 11%???! And used to be 35%! If that’s true it ranks among the highest in the world with Afghanistan.
 
Madeleine said:
Wait what?! Infant mortality rate of black people in America is 11%???! And used to be 35%! If that’s true it ranks among the highest in the world with Afghanistan.
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I don't know if it's true but I wouldn't doubt it. We think more magically than any other group in the US. The results of magic never shock me.

Also Afghanistan...............need I say more?
 
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