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hulkx
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On the upside, all of those pets and deceased people that received unrequited mail-in ballots pose little risk for spreading the virus.
That is until someone else fills out and mails in those ballots
Ol'Skool Classic
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ColiBreh1
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What's your point? The first part of this meme is flawed because it compares how many people die from hypothermia vs. the entire U.S. population, while the official CDC stats in the tweet I posted compared how many people died from COVID-19 vs. the amount of actual COVID-19 cases.
As for the 2nd part of this meme, I guess it's comparing coats & hats to the whole masks debate. First of all, Pre-COVID-19 pandemic & now 8 months into the pandemic, there has NEVER been any conclusive scientific evidence that masks work. For example, there was recently a large danish clinical trial on the efficacy of masks. None of the big medical journals want to publish the study because the results are not politically correct right now:
As far as my person opinion on masks, I look at masks as they're better than nothing. That's it. The folks who act a fool in public when they're required to wear in a public setting around other people are dumb AF. But the people on the other end of the spectrum who think that masks are better than vaccines (i.e. Dr. Redfield, head of the CDC) or promote & push these fake stats about how we can save tens-hundreds of thousands of lives if everyone wore a mask are also ridiculous AF.
The mask study finally dropped Yesterday:
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1329070150671167495
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
Full size image from the tweet:
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1329086854725963777
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1329177353172492301
samson1701
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The mask study finally dropped Yesterday:
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1329070150671167495
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
Full size image from the tweet:
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1329086854725963777
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1329177353172492301
Details matter
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahro...you-should-still-wear-a-mask/?sh=4cee4c6639e7
Lead Researcher Behind Controversial Danish Study Says You Should Still Wear A Mask
TOPLINE
A Covid-19 study conducted in Denmark and published in Annals of Internal Medicine created a heated discourse on social media as some claimed that the study showed masks were ineffective at preventing Covid-19 transmission, while health experts--including the lead researcher behind the study--disagreed.
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KEY FACTS
The study, authored by a group of cardiologists in Denmark, studied about 6,000 participants in Denmark, half of whom were told to wear masks and half of whom were not.
The authors found that 42 of the participants who were told to wear masks contracted Covid-19, while 53 of the participants in the control group got the disease, a difference that they said was not statistically significant.
The study did not investigate whether masks prevented those infected with Covid-19 from infecting other people.
Some politically conservative voices on social media have touted this study as proof that masks won’t stop the spread of Covid-19.
However, experts swiftly pointed out that the study has many limitations, including low compliance (many people did not complete the study, and a high percentage of people who were supposed to wear masks did not) and that it took place in a population where spread of Covid-19 was already low.
Multiple studies have found that mask wearing has a big impact on Covid-19, including one in October which found areas in Tennessee with mask mandates had lower hospitalization rates than areas that don’t.
CRUCIAL QUOTE
While the study found little evidence that masks protected the wearers from Covid-19, it should not be used as evidence to not wear a mask. “Even a small degree of protection is worth using the face masks,” says Dr. Henning Bundgaard, professor of Cardiology at Rigshospitalet in Denmark and lead author of the study, “because you are protecting yourself against a potentially life-threatening disease."
CHIEF CRITIC
Dr. Tom Frieden, former Director for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), wrote a response to the study that was also published in Annals of Internal Medicine. In it, he pointed out that among other limitations, the study authors used antibody tests to diagnose cases of Covid-19 which could have led to a significant number of false positives. In addition, the authors did not make an effort to ensure that people who were told to wear masks wore them correctly, or at all times.Bundgaard replies that the compliance rate was still “considerably better” in the study compared to regular society. He agreed that it was possible that the antibody tests could have led to false positives, but “that risk is in both groups, and that would probably even it out."
KEY BACKGROUND
Dr. Christine Laine, an internal medicine physician and Editor-in-Chief of Annals of Internal Medicine, says that the study did a good job of answering a very specific question: whether or not face masks protect wearers from SARS-CoV-2 infection in areas with low infection rates and high levels of social distancing. "It did not answer the question about whether widespread masking mitigates SARS-CoV-2 infection,” she says, adding that while there were concerns over misinterpretation, the editors agreed publishing this study was important because it is “the only randomized control trial of masks for SARS-CoV-2 infection that has been done to date…this was an important, well-designed study.”
TANGENT
Earlier this month, the CDC updated its mask guidelines to say that masks, including cloth masks, are important to wear because they not only prevent the spread of droplets if someone is infected with Covid-19, but they can also protect the wearer of the mask from the virus. The organization wrote that cloth mask materials could help protect the wearer through filtration of infectious droplets, though much of this evidence has come from lab simulations and not real-world studies. In discussing preventing disease spread, Bundgaard emphasizes that “the face mask is part of it, but it's not the [whole] solution." He says that people should still be practicing regular hand washing and social distancing in order to control the spread of Covid-19.
Ol'Skool Classic
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Donald Trump Jr. Infected by Coronavirus and in Isolation
By Jennifer Jacobs, Tyler Pager, and Mario Parker @ Bloomberg.com
November 20, 2020, 3:01 PM PST
President Donald Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., tested positive for coronavirus infection earlier this week and is isolating, according to three people familiar with the matter.
A spokesman for Trump Jr. said in a statement he is asymptomatic for Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.
Trump Jr. adds to the dozens of people associated with the president who have been infected by the virus, including Trump himself. On Friday, Rudy Giuliani’s son Andrew Giuliani, who is a White House aide, announced on Twitter he had tested positive. In addition, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence, Hannah McInnis, tested positive earlier this month, according to two people familiar with the matter.
Several of Pence’s aides have been infected, including his press secretary and chief of staff. Pence himself has not.
Giuliani attended a news conference his father hosted Thursday where he and other Trump-allied lawyers repeated unsubstantiated claims that voter fraud had led to the president’s defeat for re-election. One of the lawyers, Jenna Ellis, said Friday on Twitter that she and Rudy Giuliani had tested negative for infection.
The coronavirus pandemic is surging around the country, with new cases regularly topping 150,000 per day since last week. More than 254,000 Americans have died from the virus since February.
By Jennifer Jacobs, Tyler Pager, and Mario Parker @ Bloomberg.com
November 20, 2020, 3:01 PM PST
President Donald Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., tested positive for coronavirus infection earlier this week and is isolating, according to three people familiar with the matter.
A spokesman for Trump Jr. said in a statement he is asymptomatic for Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.
Trump Jr. adds to the dozens of people associated with the president who have been infected by the virus, including Trump himself. On Friday, Rudy Giuliani’s son Andrew Giuliani, who is a White House aide, announced on Twitter he had tested positive. In addition, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence, Hannah McInnis, tested positive earlier this month, according to two people familiar with the matter.
Several of Pence’s aides have been infected, including his press secretary and chief of staff. Pence himself has not.
Giuliani attended a news conference his father hosted Thursday where he and other Trump-allied lawyers repeated unsubstantiated claims that voter fraud had led to the president’s defeat for re-election. One of the lawyers, Jenna Ellis, said Friday on Twitter that she and Rudy Giuliani had tested negative for infection.
The coronavirus pandemic is surging around the country, with new cases regularly topping 150,000 per day since last week. More than 254,000 Americans have died from the virus since February.
Ol'Skool Classic
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Are they anti vaxxers overall or people who just aren't getting it right away when it becomes available? I know a few (black folks in particular) who aren't getting it right away just to make sure it is safe with no adverse side effects. That Tuskegee Syndrome makes a lot of black folks leery about any kind of new medical related things straight from the get go.
Thump
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Most of them are older folks that I work with, these are people who are right in the covid danger zone (over 65 and butt loads of underlying conditions) Their reasoning seems to be that if other people get it (and assume the risk of side-effects) they don't have to, they seem to be counting on a human immunity shield. I've told some of them that isn't the best strategy but they don't seem to care.
andreboba
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The mask study finally dropped Yesterday:
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1329070150671167495
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
Full size image from the tweet:
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1329086854725963777
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1329177353172492301
At some point you have to rely on common sense and not social media.
During a flu outbreak or COVID19, do you think it makes sense to wash your hands more frequently or not at all??
You need to stop making this pandemic a political issue. It's not about scoring points against the libs.
Ol'Skool Classic
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He can't help but make everything a political issue because he clearly views EVERYTHING through the skewed lens of politics. Common sense, facts & basic logic go out the window for people like that as we have been seeing over the last 10+ years or more.