Random Political comments...

[andreboba]

Kind of like trying to tell a lock step democrat that his party is no different than republican politicians. They. Just. Can't. Get. It.


Actually let me rephrase. They. Won't. Get. It.

I do "battle" with you democrats the same way as I do with you republicans and it sickens me how both sides act like their shitty party has it all figured out.


In the usual suspects it was " the greatest trick the devil ever played is convincing the world that he doesn't exist."

I'll twist that and say

The greatest trick America has ever played is convincing people that the democrat and republican parties are any different and that the American people actually have a choice in who gets elected.

Maybe it makes your conscious feel good to pretend you're above all the partisanship and political bickering, but what I see Paniro is a conflicted conservative unwilling to fully identify with his chosen party because they don't fully represent your beliefs.

The Democrats aren't perfect, but it's insane to believe BOTH parties are the same and serve the same interests.

In fact that's a political meme that's been pushed by the GOP to give them cover when they do their dirt, like shut down the government or block common sense policies and legislation they once supported but can't anymore because there's a Negro sleeping in the WH.

The GOP wants to privatize EVERYTHING in this country and sell it for a profit.

National parks, education, the military, health care, federal agencies, etc.

The main problem with the GOP is they believe in capitalism as a higher social ideal than DEMOCRACY.

In that sense, they are the flip side of the Bolsheviks circa early 20th century Russia.

When your core value as a political party is the profit motive, maybe you're qualified to be a CEO, but you aren't suited anymore to lead a country.

Look at how our allies run their countries and compare that to the U.S.
With the money the average American spends on healthcare, we have some of the worst health outcomes in the industrialized world.

Yes the system is rigged against poor and middle class citizens, but more often than not it's rich conservatives who are setting up the system to fail the rest of us.

We hear the same tired failed ideas from the GOP, cut taxes and reduce regulations.

Why?? Because big companies don't like having to pay out money to be in compliance with federal safety regulations, regulations that are meant to benefit the well being of everyday people.

The rich already pay less of a percentage in total income tax than the middle class and the poor, so why the obsession with lower taxes??

Because the end goal for conservatives is to cripple the federal government.

A weak federal government allows the rich to control more of the country without interference from Uncle Sam.

We're repeating the same problems that have created permanent underclasses throughout Central and South America.

THe Democrats aren't without fault, but at least they have a track record of supporting causes and legislation that directly benefit the other 98%.

Both parties are the same???

Hardly.

If you really do believe that, count yourself as a part of the problem.

 

[Paniro187]

Maybe it makes your conscious feel good to pretend you're above all the partisanship and political bickering, but what I see Paniro is a conflicted conservative unwilling to fully identify with his chosen party because they don't fully represent your beliefs.

The Democrats aren't perfect, but it's insane to believe BOTH parties are the same and serve the same interests.

In fact that's a political meme that's been pushed by the GOP to give them cover when they do their dirt, like shut down the government or block common sense policies and legislation they once supported but can't anymore because there's a Negro sleeping in the WH.

The GOP wants to privatize EVERYTHING in this country and sell it for a profit.

National parks, education, the military, health care, federal agencies, etc.

The main problem with the GOP is they believe in capitalism as a higher social ideal than DEMOCRACY.

In that sense, they are the flip side of the Bolsheviks circa early 20th century Russia.

When your core value as a political party is the profit motive, maybe you're qualified to be a CEO, but you aren't suited anymore to lead a country.

Look at how our allies run their countries and compare that to the U.S.
With the money the average American spends on healthcare, we have some of the worst health outcomes in the industrialized world.

Yes the system is rigged against poor and middle class citizens, but more often than not it's rich conservatives who are setting up the system to fail the rest of us.

We hear the same tired failed ideas from the GOP, cut taxes and reduce regulations.

Why?? Because big companies don't like having to pay out money to be in compliance with federal safety regulations, regulations that are meant to benefit the well being of everyday people.

The rich already pay less of a percentage in total income tax than the middle class and the poor, so why the obsession with lower taxes??

Because the end goal for conservatives is to cripple the federal government.

A weak federal government allows the rich to control more of the country without interference from Uncle Sam.

We're repeating the same problems that have created permanent underclasses throughout Central and South America.

THe Democrats aren't without fault, but at least they have a track record of supporting causes and legislation that directly benefit the other 98%.

Both parties are the same???

Hardly.

If you really do believe that, count yourself as a part of the problem.

The word ‘but’ – use it with caution
Words to use with caution: ‘But’

From our free The Pegasus NLP Newsletter

Imagine you are with a close friend and he or she says I really appreciate you as a friend, I am glad we get to spend time together, and I especially like your sense of humour… and then pauses and

http://nlp-now.co.uk/be-careful-with-but/


The word ‘but’ – use it with caution
Words to use with caution: ‘But’

From our free The Pegasus NLP Newsletter

Imagine you are with a close friend and he or she says I really appreciate you as a friend, I am glad we get to spend time together, and I especially like your sense of humour… and then pauses and adds …BUT….

Or someone says

That’s a lovely jacket you’re wearing … but…
You did a wonderful job with this… but…
I like your new hairstyle… but…
What happens in your mind when the person says that little word – even before they say anything else?

However we rationally respond our emotional response is to ignore everything that went before the ‘but’ and to focus on what comes after it – instinctively we recognise that this is what they really think, feel or intend.

‘But’ negates whatever precedes it

The word BUT negates or cancels everything that goes before it. And is generally accepted as a signal that the really important part of the sentence is coming up.

When you use it most people listening to you will give more attention and more weight to what you say after you say BUT. This tiny little word is widely misused…


More in the link

 

[andreboba]

The word ‘but’ – use it with caution
Words to use with caution: ‘But’

From our free The Pegasus NLP Newsletter

Imagine you are with a close friend and he or she says I really appreciate you as a friend, I am glad we get to spend time together, and I especially like your sense of humour… and then pauses and

http://nlp-now.co.uk/be-careful-with-but/


The word ‘but’ – use it with caution
Words to use with caution: ‘But’

From our free The Pegasus NLP Newsletter

Imagine you are with a close friend and he or she says I really appreciate you as a friend, I am glad we get to spend time together, and I especially like your sense of humour… and then pauses and adds …BUT….

Or someone says

That’s a lovely jacket you’re wearing … but…
You did a wonderful job with this… but…
I like your new hairstyle… but…
What happens in your mind when the person says that little word – even before they say anything else?

However we rationally respond our emotional response is to ignore everything that went before the ‘but’ and to focus on what comes after it – instinctively we recognise that this is what they really think, feel or intend.

‘But’ negates whatever precedes it

The word BUT negates or cancels everything that goes before it. And is generally accepted as a signal that the really important part of the sentence is coming up.

When you use it most people listening to you will give more attention and more weight to what you say after you say BUT. This tiny little word is widely misused…


More in the link

?????

My use of the preposition 'but' is meant to draw a contrast and show there are distinctions between how the Democrats govern and what they believe in.

I thought we were talking politics and you're really gonna come at me with a grammatical critique???

 

[Bliss]

Addum..

I laughed at your "to cover up what?" Are you serious, AB?
Crimes, of course. That's what criminals do.
Like Liars. They lie to cover up their lies.

To your rebuttal, l'm going to address each one individually due to time constraints and I'm on my phone at work today...

Beginning with John Ashe.

Tell me luv, who are these witnesses? Name them. And what club in Antigua did they witness this? Name it.

Then explain why U.N Official Spokesman, Dan Thomas, a man who would be in the know before making an official statement, told CNN that Ashe died of a heart attack. Then when called on his false information, claimed he got his information from an Antiguan newspaper. Really??

Then please explain how the cause of death you say happened in Antigua, was ruled by a Westchester NEW YORK Coroner. I guess Antiguan ones aren't up to snuff? (no pun intented)

Then further explain how an "Antiguan gym with witnesses"... ended up in John Ashe's Dobbs Ferry HOME, where he was actually found dead on June 22?

If you can clarify your "inevitable conclusionary" information, l will surely adjust my "guts" on John Ashe.

AB, to add to this...
The man Ashe was about to testify against for over a billion dollars in illegal bribes..

Furthermore on the man ^ ^ Ashe won't be testifying against...

"The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign.

The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. :smt063

A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The Chinese government denied all accusations.

NOW...
Fast forward to today...

Yet ANOTHER Chinese Billionaire at Hillary's house amid illegal donation accusations :smt063

EXCLUSIVE: Video footage showing Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe and Chinese billionaire Wang Wenliang at Hillary's house revealed as FBI probes campaign donations..."

 

[Paniro187]

AB, to add to this...
The man Ashe was about to testify against for over a billion dollars in illegal bribes..

Furthermore on the man ^ ^ Ashe won't be testifying against...

"The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign.

The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. :smt063

A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The Chinese government denied all accusations.

NOW...
Fast forward to today...

Yet ANOTHER Chinese Billionaire at Hillary's house amid illegal donation accusations :smt063

EXCLUSIVE: Video footage showing Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe and Chinese billionaire Wang Wenliang at Hillary's house revealed as FBI probes campaign donations..."

The lock step democrat will say that this doesn't matter, just like the typical lock step republican will excuse the steady stream of gop bullshit.

Watch AB spin this shit or say it's not a big deal.

 

[andreboba]

John Ashe form all reports died from a weightlifting accident in his home in NY.(He's from Antigua, bad source.)

Furthermore, John Ashe WAS NOT headed to court testify against the Clintons.:smt120

Moreover, the U.S. District Attorney's spokesperson told us that no portion of Ashe's court case pertained to Hillary Clinton. Not only was he not set to testify against Clinton five days before he died, neither was he slated to do so at any point during the trial. A copy of the 5 October 2015 complaint against Ashe and several co-defendants (which involved Ashe's taking bribes from developer David Ng to support one of Ng's real estate projects at the U.N.) can be located here [PDF].


The same question remains, Bliss.
Are you playing around with a juicy conspiracy theory, like Dubya and Cheney were behind 9/11, or do you REALLY believe the Clintons contracted to have political rivals murdered???

 

[andreboba]

The lock step democrat will say that this doesn't matter, just like the typical lock step republican will excuse the steady stream of gop bullshit.

Watch AB spin this shit or say it's not a big deal.

Watch Paniro piggyback off Bliss and still have no relevant point to make.:smt102

 

[Bliss]

Follow the money

John Ashe form all reports died from a weightlifting accident in his home in NY.(He's from Antigua, bad source.)

Furthermore, John Ashe WAS NOT headed to court testify against the Clintons.:smt120

Moreover, the U.S. District Attorney's spokesperson told us that no portion of Ashe's court case pertained to Hillary Clinton. Not only was he not set to testify against Clinton five days before he died, neither was he slated to do so at any point during the trial. A copy of the 5 October 2015 complaint against Ashe and several co-defendants (which involved Ashe's taking bribes from developer David Ng to support one of Ng's real estate projects at the U.N.) can be located here [PDF].


The same question remains, Bliss.
Are you playing around with a juicy conspiracy theory, like Dubya and Cheney were behind 9/11, or do you REALLY believe the Clintons contracted to have political rivals murdered???

I know how they said he died. Two different ways, in fact.
Which part of the post below l wrote did you not read. He was going to testify against David Ng. Read please, AB.

Ng was implicated in illegal donations directly to Clinton. Over a billion dollars is alleged in this trial to Ashe. Do you really think this man just suddenly accident died days before preliminary testimony?
Stop it AB...the Italian, Irish and Russian Mobs kill for far less money as do the Mexican Mafia and Cartels. Shit, your local street thug does to silence snitches. You act as if politicians haven't killed before. Yet somehow your girl is a Saint and incable of ordering. Hit men are figments of societal imagination.
So who was the loon who dared question the Tuskegee Experiment's slick murders, right? Trust the people in power, they said, right?
Cops are gangs of murderers according to you and get away with it because they are connected and have power and people lie for them, right?
But suddenly this black man's death is all kosher to you because it's possibly tied to Billary. Count the amount of people, AB... Its astounding. She keeps getting away with any culpability because of people like you who never raise questions. What's with your hard-on for her?

AB, to add to this...
The man Ashe was about to testify against for over a billion dollars in illegal bribes..

Furthermore on the man ^ ^ Ashe won't be testifying against...

"The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign.

The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. :smt063

A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The Chinese government denied all accusations.

NOW...
Fast forward to today...

Yet ANOTHER Chinese Billionaire at Hillary's house amid illegal donation accusations :smt063

EXCLUSIVE: Video footage showing Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe and Chinese billionaire Wang Wenliang at Hillary's house revealed as FBI probes campaign donations..."

 

[andreboba]

I just wanted to hear you say it, Bliss.

You really believe Bill and Hillary will and have murdered anyone who interferes with their political dynasty.:shock:


As for the John Ashe/David Ng case, Mr. Ashe was implicated in accepting bribes from Ng in order to lobby the UN to build an annex in China.

John Ashe's testimony before the Feds had nothing at all to do with illegal campaign donations to the Clintons.

So why would Hillary and Bill kill him by dropping a barbell on his neck??


Also, the 'murders' in the Tuskegee syphilis experiments aren't even in the same category, in that they were government sanctioned tests on unsuspecting Blacks patients to examine the affects of the disease untreated.

There was extensive documentation and wasn't a conspiracy.

Bringing up anyone remotely related to the Clintons politically who suddenly dies and accusing the Clintons of murder is tin foil hat stuff.

You don't murder someone who's being accused of charges that have nothing to do with you.

You don't murder someone because the might have info the DNC was in the tank for Hillary and was willing to smear the Sanders campaign.

You don't murder a pseudo-journalist who's been writing garbage about you for over twenty years who no one views as a credible reporter in the first place.

THe fact you would mention the Clintons in the same breath as organized crime families just blows my mind.

 

[Paniro187]

I just wanted to hear you say it, Bliss.

You really believe Bill and Hillary will and have murdered anyone who interferes with their political dynasty.:shock:


As for the John Ashe/David Ng case, Mr. Ashe was implicated in accepting bribes from Ng in order to lobby the UN to build an annex in China.

John Ashe's testimony before the Feds had nothing at all to do with illegal campaign donations to the Clintons.

So why would Hillary and Bill kill him by dropping a barbell on his neck??


Also, the 'murders' in the Tuskegee syphilis experiments aren't even in the same category, in that they were government sanctioned tests on unsuspecting Blacks patients to examine the affects of the disease untreated.

There was extensive documentation and wasn't a conspiracy.

Bringing up anyone remotely related to the Clintons politically who suddenly dies and accusing the Clintons of murder is tin foil hat stuff.

You don't murder someone who's being accused of charges that have nothing to do with you.

You don't murder someone because the might have info the DNC was in the tank for Hillary and was willing to smear the Sanders campaign.

You don't murder a pseudo-journalist who's been writing garbage about you for over twenty years who no one views as a credible reporter in the first place.

THe fact you would mention the Clintons in the same breath as organized crime families just blows my mind.

if it was trump you would be all over this like stink on shit.

 

[Paniro187]

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[andreboba]

if it was trump you would be all over this like stink on shit.

Trump does have mob indirect mob associations through his construction business in NYC, which is why he prefers not to hire union labor.

But you don't see liberals trying to connect imaginary dots that anyone who died under questionable circumstances in Manhattan who was an associate of Trump, was ordered murdered by Donald.

This is the exact same shit we heard in the 1990s about the Clintons and there isn't any shred of evidence now either, except gross innuendo.

Right wingers have made a cottage industry out of peddling in conspiracy theories.

You guys can't win presidential elections anymore so you might as well spend your time pretending every progressive politician has a hitman on speed dial.

Trump is the wannabe thug anyway who openly admires the way Vladimir Putin governs Russia with an iron fist, so it's easier to see him going this route.

 

[samson1701]

Just wondering does anyone here have close friends, that you like spending time with, who are the total opposite of you politically? In other words, if your a conservative then he or she is a liberal. But, you guys hang out and have fun anyway.

Would that even be an option for you or nah?

 

[The Dark King]

Just wondering does anyone here have close friends, that you like spending time with, who are the total opposite of you politically? In other words, if your a conservative then he or she is a liberal. But, you guys hang out and have fun anyway.

Would that even be an option for you or nah?

I got a family member who is conservative but they're family so there's nothing I can do there.
Outside of that absolutely not. I've begun to see your politics and what you're willing to vote for says so much about you. If you're willing to vote for people who are literally against funding education food and housing programs while cutting taxes for people who don't need it says a lot about you as a person. It shows either complete ignorance or complete selfishness either way I have no room for that in my personal life. It's like hanging out with a "cool" Nazi.

 

[Paniro187]

Best friend is a extreme liberal and we battle but stay respectful. I feel that real men and women can be respectful of a different viewpoint agree to disagree and move on. I have extreme conservative friends and we are the same way. I have atheist friends that are the same way as well. Agree to disagree stay respectful and everything is fine. We all usually do this over a drink.

Differing ideals is all it is. If you let that shit destroy friendships then you were never really friends in the first place. And if you hold animosity to a family member over that shit then there is definitely something wrong with you IMO

 

[andreboba]

Just wondering does anyone here have close friends, that you like spending time with, who are the total opposite of you politically? In other words, if your a conservative then he or she is a liberal. But, you guys hang out and have fun anyway.

Would that even be an option for you or nah?

I have 'friends' who are moderate conservatives, mostly economic.
The kind of people who can keep a whole crew on budget on a road trip and make sure we all have a couple hundred in cash in our pockets on the way back home.lol

But no, I don't think I could be friends with a hardline conservative because IMO their world view is too upside down compared to mine.

 

[Paniro187]

And what you see in the last couple responses is the extreme left and In different forums I have seen the same views expressed from the extreme right. When politics has the public to the point where some people can't even be friends and puts rifts in families then they truly have a stranglehold on the populace.

 

[Bookworm616]

I look at particular candidates and voters. Republicans as a whole are just plain vile. As a collective they don't believe in a social safety net for the actual voters and people who built and maintain this country, they vote AGAINST funding schools, food programs, housing and anything having to do with the general welfare of the electorate. Instead they give absolutely meaningless platitudes with zero solutions on how to fix anything. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" while defunding every possible pathway to do so outside of bloating the shit out of military. So yes American citizens we want you to succeed as long as you risk your life needlessly in meaningless wars where you fight for rich people to have more shit they don't need.
The voters are usually violently racist, sexist, homophobic xenophobes who only see white people as Americans. Everything they stand for has nothing to do with fairness or equality or even basic human decency. The same people who will fight tooth and nail to bring a baby to term will literally leave that same child to starve once its here in the world. Seriously how insane is that? They care more about religious affiliations and whiteness more than they care about the actual job being done. I am desperately looking for a compassionate Republican, I've only seen them compassionate towards animals people be damned.

This is the problem with people who are die-hard democrats or die-hard republicans.

You all think the other side is "vile".

I live in IL - one of the most democrat states in the union. Our congress is super-majority democrat and has been that way for DECADES. The city of Chicago has been run by democrats for decades.

Illinois is one of the worst, if not THE worst, state in the union in terms of bankruptcy. Chicago is one of the worst cities in terms of bankruptcy.

The democrats (and to a lesser extent past republican governors - they're both to blame) have DECIMATED the pension funds of teachers, etc. We have some of the highest taxes in the country to try and cover JUST the pension pitfalls of past administrations.

Chicago has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THE DEMOCRATS. Yet, they STILL vote for them because, you know, the democrats are the party of the people.

You want to call Republicans vile. I say democrats are JUST AS VILE.

Both parties suck and NEITHER party is for the people. They're for themselves and occasionally will pass a law that helps the "little people", but not until their pockets are lined by lobbyists.

The political system in this country is disgustingly broken. Anyone who wants to defend where our government is currently at right now will get no traction with me.

Obama ENDORSING Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. F u Obama - you became part of the problem when you hitched your trailer to the Hillary Clinton train.

 

[Westie]

I'll just leave this here...

 

[andreboba]

And what you see in the last couple responses is the extreme left and In different forums I have seen the same views expressed from the extreme right. When politics has the public to the point where some people can't even be friends and puts rifts in families then they truly have a stranglehold on the populace.

An extreme or radical liberal is entirely different than a hardline right winger.

IMO it's much easier to be friends with someone who aspires to have the tolerance and compassion for humanity of Jesus Christ, as opposed to a right winger who believes, "GREED IS GOOD", thinks the federal government should be abolished and wants to eliminate all entitlement programs for the poor.

There's just no comparison.

Hardcore lefties would give you ALL that they have so others could have something. THey don't believe anyone should be poorer than somebody else.


Hard right conservatives believe is social darwinism and survival of the fittest and think there should be a poor and an underclass in all societies because in capitalism there are always WINNERS and LOSERS.

It's always easier to be 'friends' with a bleeding heart leftie.