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Thump said:
Not sure how this applies to my point but it's a clever visual.
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You don't have a point. You stole my point.......lol
Structures are refined by policies. Changing the structure is not the same as refining it. However feel free to consult a political hack that doesn't understand economics.


Do you have an answer to this simple question? Is this the democratic socialist website or no?
https://www.dsausa.org
 
Bliss said:
To plenty women, old and rich and old and the President is like being young and handsome with a job.

But to the point...which was the Kennedys first sullied the White House but are absolutely revered with God like status by democrats and the democrat-activist press.
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I realize that rich and powerful will always attract some women, but NEVER have I heard any women even suggest that he possesses anything beyond those. Obviously, I'm not a woman, but I take that to mean what we see so often where the wealthy and powerful part simply allows them to overlook whatever he may be lacking and such. I'm not old enough for when the Kennedy brothers were doing their thing, but I definitely recall women expressing that they found Bill Clinton to be a good looking man. Not sure why it matter that the Kennedys did their dirt first, but as for Trump. For most NYers (myself included)... We didn't just wake up disliking Trump the candidate and eventual POTUS... He managed to sow that sentiment decades ago, and continues to plant new seeds as he goes along..
 
Beasty said:
You don't have a point. You stole my point.......lol
Structures are refined by policies. Changing the structure is not the same as refining it. However feel free to consult a political hack that doesn't understand economics.


Do you have an answer to this simple question? Is this the democratic socialist website or no?
https://www.dsausa.org
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I don't know what you're talking about, but please don't feel like you need to explain, because I'm sure you have another clever retort that will vanquish me and my evil socialist agenda lol.
 
Thump said:
I don't know what you're talking about, but please don't feel like you need to explain, because I'm sure you have another clever retort that will vanquish me and my evil socialist agenda lol.
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color me shocked

Are you a democratic socialist or not?

Do you understand my simple question about the website?
 
Bliss said:
Oh my bad..."slavemasters" sullied it".
I kinda kept the narrative to the modern-day. You know, in the last two centuries. (since the member here did). So yeah, we were discussing sexual antics of modern-day presidents sullying it while in the WH, so calm down, Nancy.

Speaking of Nasty P, why you betraying ultra left-wing ideologue..how dare you assume it's just her husband's wealth? Off with your bobahead, That fooking vinyard is in your Queen's name too.
*sips tea*.

Lastly, who took the high moral ground on fidelity? Again, pay attention...discussion pertained to extra-marital sexual antics of Presidents while in the WH, of which certainly Trump does not qualify, even though he was blamed solely and squarely for it. Such a lying-Lefty move by you.
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Because Trump fucked around on his wives before he got into the WH somehow makes him superior to JFK and Bill Clinton??
Do you know how demented that sounds??

Like Trump all you want, but there's no argument that the man is a scumbag. He doesn't respect the rule of law or the Constitution, doesn't believe in paying taxes, doesn't want Brown people 'invading' the USA and considers N Korea and Russia are greater allies to this country than NATO.

As for the Forbes article, its argument is bullshit. Most of Europe operates on the principle of democratic socialism, which is why they pay almost 50% in federal income taxes to pay for social programs, including healthcare and education, which are not welfare programs.
 
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andreboba said:
Because Trump fucked around on his wives before he got into the WH somehow makes him superior to JFK and Bill Clinton??
Do you know how demented that sounds??

Like Trump all you want, but there's no argument that the man is a scumbag. He doesn't respect the rule of law or the Constitution, doesn't believe in paying taxes, doesn't want Brown people 'invading' the USA and considers N Korea and Russia greater allies to this country than NATO.

As for the Forbes article, its argument is bullshit. Most of Europe operates on the principle of democratic socialism, which is why they pay almost 50% in federal income taxes to pay for social programs, including healthcare and education, which are not welfare programs.
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LMAO at no one claiming this Democratic Socialist bullshit now.
 
You guys waiting on TDK to tell you if you are a democratic socialist or not??
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Beasty said:
color me shocked

Are you a democratic socialist or not?

Do you understand my simple question about the website?
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I'm shocked that you're shocked. As for that site and my political ideology, not a Democrat socialist and I don't know or care about that site, so until next time bro.
 
andreboba said:
Because Trump fucked around on his wives before he got into the WH somehow makes him superior to JFK and Bill Clinton??
Do you know how demented that sounds??

Like Trump all you want, but there's no argument that the man is a scumbag. He doesn't respect the rule of law or the Constitution, doesn't believe in paying taxes, doesn't want Brown people 'invading' the USA and considers N Korea and Russia greater allies to this country than NATO.

As for the Forbes article, its argument is bullshit. Most of Europe operates on the principle of democratic socialism, which is why they pay almost 50% in federal income taxes to pay for social programs, including healthcare and education, which are not welfare programs.
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Boba bot,

are you a democratic socialist or not?
 
Beasty said:
Boba bot,

are you a democratic socialist or not?
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I don't identify as a Democratic socialist, but I do believe our government should take a greater share of our taxes to pay for social programs.

The costs the average American has to pay out of pocket for healthcare and higher education is criminal.
 
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The Dark King said:
If you can't keep up there's no shame. Its ok to be ignorant on a topic as long as you're willing to educate yourself on it. You should try it because Democratic socialism does not demonize capitalism. Please show us where it says that especially on the Bernie Sanders website you keep low key referencing. I gladly await your response
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You're on your own bruh..........lmao. If you still want to know the site.

https://www.dsausa.org

Is this the site for democratic socialists or not?

If not, were is the info to back up your fuckery? Don't give me any politician bs either. An ideology is independent of politicians.

As a matter of fact they support your White Jesus
 
Beasty said:
You're on your own bruh..........lmao. If you still want to know the site.

https://www.dsausa.org

Is this the site for democratic socialists or not?

If not, were is the info to back up your fuckery? Don't give me any politician bs either. An ideology is independent of politicians.

As a matter of fact they support your White Jesus
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What exactly is wrong with their position in your eyes?
 
Bliss said:
Who is calling for Socialism? Why, you are, that's who.

Speaking of twisting the narrative, France, Canada, Denmark, Finland, etc will tell you themselves, they are NOT Socialist countries. They thrive on Capitalism with a system of expensive taxes paid by Capitalists to fund welfare programs. Much like how it is here.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffre...-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/

Socialist countries are Venezuela, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam to name a few. Doctors in socialist countries earn the same as everyone else.
The "people" don't get to allocate their salary. Doctors work under the Govt.

France, for example, has private doctors and public ones, just like here. You pay accordingly to see which one. Just like here.

Again..whose going to put forth all the study for peasant pay in your Socialist America?
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You're clearly mixing up communism and Democratic socialism. You have pointed to a single post where I'm calling for Cuban style socialism which isn't even socialist.
 
Beasty said:
I'm a Capitalist bro.

So you are acknowledging this website as the Democratic socialist website?
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Yeah and they seem to be in line with the idea that capitalism can exist in concert with democratic socialist ideals. Capitalism is zero sum where the most logical outcome is a handful of Jeff Bezos and billions starving to death. The model can be shifted to include human good as part of the model. No one needs or realistically ever "earned" a billion dollars. And any system that allows one individual to have so much control over wealth and resources is both inefficient and cruel. That's life one guy having 1000 pizza pies knowing he can only realistically eat 2 but will allow 500 to starve to death. Theres a better way
 
The Dark King said:
Yeah and they seem to be in line with the idea that capitalism can exist in concert with democratic socialist ideals. Capitalism is zero sum where the most logical outcome is a handful of Jeff Bezos and billions starving to death. The model can be shifted to include human good as part of the model. No one needs or realistically ever "earned" a billion dollars. And any system that allows one individual to have so much control over wealth and resources is both inefficient and cruel. That's life one guy having 1000 pizza pies knowing he can only realistically eat 2 but will allow 500 to starve to death. Theres a better way
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Obviously they see Capitalism as something to only be tolerated until it can be completely removed.

Private corporations seem to be a permanent fixture in the US, so why work towards socialism?

"In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable."

What does the sentence in bold tell you? The long term objective is to eliminate capitalism. No corporations = no capitalism. Capitalism is to be tolerated until it can be eliminated. If they weren't for the idea of eliminating corporations, they would have said so.

Hilarious that you back peddle and say that you want to savage a system that you think is responsible for racism and slavery. One thing I do give them credit for is being consistent. They blame Capitalism for Americas ills and unlike you they are consistent, let their balls hang and admit that they want to get rid of it.

Your pizza example doesn't tell the story. Jeff Bezos can afford a millions of pizzas but he won't buy them because he has no use for them. Instead he will keep investing his money in the economy, making it available for others that have viable ideas. That is capitalism. How else would he continue to earn from it?

Also, the term "democratic socialism" is silly to begin with. We vote with our dollars. Don't like the fact that one man keeps getting richer then stop shopping at Amazon, there's a novel idea for you. Actions always speak louder.
 
Beasty said:
Obviously they see Capitalism as something to only be tolerated until it can be completely removed.

Private corporations seem to be a permanent fixture in the US, so why work towards socialism?

"In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable."

What does the sentence in bold tell you? The long term objective is to eliminate capitalism. No corporations = no capitalism. Capitalism is to be tolerated until it can be eliminated. If they weren't for the idea of eliminating corporations, they would have said so.

Hilarious that you back peddle and say that you want to savage a system that you think is responsible for racism and slavery. One thing I do give them credit for is being consistent. They blame Capitalism for Americas ills and unlike you they are consistent, let their balls hang and admit that they want to get rid of it.

Your pizza example doesn't tell the story. Jeff Bezos can afford a millions of pizzas but he won't buy them because he has no use for them. Instead he will keep investing his money in the economy, making it available for others that have viable ideas. That is capitalism. How else would he continue to earn from it?

Also, the term "democratic socialism" is silly to begin with. We vote with our dollars. Don't like the fact that one man keeps getting richer then stop shopping at Amazon, there's a novel idea for you. Actions always speak louder.
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The problem with social media scolds is that they don't want to sacrifice their 21st century lifestyles. Amazon is too convienent and cheap. Underage Asian kids exposed to lead and mercury daily build their smartphones and laptops from which they praise socialism.

Capitalism raised the best of us out of poverty and some into near-parity with whites, so I find it strange that white "progressives" are now opposed to it. Or maybe not so strange.
 
Beasty said:
Obviously they see Capitalism as something to only be tolerated until it can be completely removed.

Private corporations seem to be a permanent fixture in the US, so why work towards socialism?

"In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable."

What does the sentence in bold tell you? The long term objective is to eliminate capitalism. No corporations = no capitalism. Capitalism is to be tolerated until it can be eliminated. If they weren't for the idea of eliminating corporations, they would have said so.

Hilarious that you back peddle and say that you want to savage a system that you think is responsible for racism and slavery. One thing I do give them credit for is being consistent. They blame Capitalism for Americas ills and unlike you they are consistent, let their balls hang and admit that they want to get rid of it.

Your pizza example doesn't tell the story. Jeff Bezos can afford a millions of pizzas but he won't buy them because he has no use for them. Instead he will keep investing his money in the economy, making it available for others that have viable ideas. That is capitalism. How else would he continue to earn from it?

Also, the term "democratic socialism" is silly to begin with. We vote with our dollars. Don't like the fact that one man keeps getting richer then stop shopping at Amazon, there's a novel idea for you. Actions always speak louder.
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I think what they want is more public ownership of private companies and more labor input(UNIONS) in how those corporations are run.

When your economy is run by more public co-ops, they tend to regulate capitalism from exploiting workers for the benefit of only shareholders.
It's really easy to say we vote with our dollars, but that's extremely hard to do when you have monopolies like Amazon and Walmart that eliminate choices for consumers.
Our most successful European allies seem to have mastered the concept of democratic socialism, I dont't see why it's considered such a bizarre concept for the USA.
 
andreboba said:
I think what they want is more public ownership of private companies and more labor input(UNIONS) in how those corporations are run.

When your economy is run by more public co-ops, they tend to regulate capitalism from exploiting workers for the benefit of only shareholders.
It's really easy to say we vote with our dollars, but that's extremely hard to do when you have monopolies like Amazon and Walmart that eliminate choices for consumers.
Our most successful European allies seem to have mastered the concept of democratic socialism, I dont't see why it's considered such a bizarre concept for the USA.
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Well if you want the "public" to own corporations in lieu of investors then that's socialism. lol. Government = public ownership. Are you sure that's how Europe's economies are ran?

Even if the workers were the only owners then how to you think decisions are going to be made? Workers vote for managers? So a guy that does welding is gonna have a say in who the manufacturing manager is? That is out of his element of expertise, do you really expect that to work? If the workers don't like him, they vote to remove him? Then you're gonna have a company that is ran based on bias and feelings. No thanks. I'm not against unions, but C0-0ps aren't necessary. A good company offers stock options as compensation, thus giving you an opportunity to be part owner in a more sensible way.

If you want Co-ops then you can create them here in this economy, no? Is it illegal? So why not just create them instead of suggesting that corporations shouldn't exist. Rhetorical, because people are afraid that the co-ops wouldn't be able to compete. So they rather ban corporations because their idea can't compete with them.
 
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