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[The Dark King]

And this rambling post you've posted can only tell me just how little you understood any of the points I've made. I'll be nice and refute your (inaccurate) claims.

1. Willpower is the act of disciplining oneself through intensive training, first and foremost. Secondly, Saiyan bodies are essentially human, much like the modern human shares traits with that of the modern ape. This is where we draw the comparisons, but that's besides the point.

The planet Vegeta has an atmosphere that is 10 times the gravity of the Earth, but it's wholly irrelevant here since Goku never knew of Planet Vegeta, thus his gravitational usage is familiar to Earth's and his body, while still retaining much of its Saiyan density, it lacks in comparison, thus undergoing training to Planet Namek in the gravity chamber proved to be more cumbersome. But his Saiyan nature in fighting and WILLPOWER helped him push through those odds, thus overcoming all that.

2. There's more to Superman than the Justice League. There are countless movies and comics accessible to anyone willing to research it and you'll see that Superman has fought some very powerful adversaries. Whether if its Darkseid, Doomsday, Brainiac, or even lesser known adversaries. The scene involving Darkseid having assimilated with Brainiac was a RARE moment when Superman actually cut loose and pretty much put a beat down on him, only to get tricked and hit with Darkseid's laser. So, no he wasn't able to beat him completely. However, he nearly killed Darkseid on one episode, but Batman stopped him cold.

Doomsday? This is the "second" time they've fought and this time Superman wasn't able to put his full power to use since he was saving an island. Come on, kid...you shouldn't even try if you lack a full deck here.

3. Regarding Goku's techniques and power...all of that came from sheer determination. His Saiyan heritage has little to do with him becoming strong and more about helping people and saving the world for the greater good. When training, you're always determined to meet or exceed expectations and Goku manages to do that, though it took him time to get use to it. That's just raw power being exerted. He rarely utilized his martial arts to get to his opponents.

4. Surviving in deep space means being able to adapt and breathe in it. He can't hold his breath for long periods of time, otherwise Goku would choke himself to death. Don't try and twist this around. You said it and implied it.

Again with the childish baby insults huh. Well I said word for word survived in deep space so interpret that any way you want but anyone woth a fifth grad reading level would have caight my meaning. Whether it was from the power of his lungs or power of his energy as an extension of his mind it was still his power.
I also said we would have to agree on a source but since the cartoons are more easily comparable to me thats why I suggested it but you ignored it so you could have another vehicle of insult.
And if your goin to use the bullshit logic that Saiyans are just like humans despite their alien origin why arent you using the same logic with superman? Both humanoid beings capable of mating eith humans not to mention I recently saw a movie where Superman had an alternate origin landing in Russia instead of Kansas where after four million uears of evolution the inhabitants became the what know as kryptonians.
So based on your argument they are both similar to humans right?
And despite Superman not being able to ise his whole power he was still beaten down to a poimt where someone else had to fly him aeay to safety showing he doesnt do ot on his own either. Good side step on the Batman example btw. So lets conclude this the way you want to. Despite any logic or decent argument I might present dude you are right you are correct and I have nothin on you. Happy?

 

[Morning Star]

Again, surviving deep space? He was knocked unconscious from the blast from the planet exploding and guess what? He rode a pod which took him to some random planet, where he learned Instant Transmission. How is that something to Goku's credit? Basic animalistic survival trait? Yeah, like humans lack that.

The fact that you're getting a temper tantrum because you're having a hard time comprehending my posts only tells me what little you really have an idea what you're talking about.

When I speak of the alien origin of Saiyans, they aren't that much different from humans, minus the fact that they have higher muscle density and their planet has ten times the gravity to that of Earth. However, they aren't really THAT alien or different from the human body for numerous reasons. And this is where your logic falls and here's the explanation of Kryptonian physiology:

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Kryptonian Abilities
Kryptonian Physiology: A Kryptonians biology is far more advanced than that of Earth based humans where they are able to utilize energy in their body with far more direct and elaborate manners and even allows them to absorb and process sunlight some have even developed Super-powers which vary according to their native deimension. Kryptonians also have a healing factor that can heal any wond as long as the powers is not impeded by Kryptonite this healing factor is supplemented by stores of solar energy and gives immunity to Radiation and almost all Poisons and diseases aswell as an equilibrium that surpasses that of humans however they cannot consiously control it.


Kryptonian Abilities after absorbing yellow sunlight
Superhuman Strength
Superhuman Stamina
Superhuman Speed
Invulnerability
Flight
Super Hearing
Super Breath/Freeze Breath
Heat Vision
Electro-magnetic Spectrum Vision
Telescopic Vision
Microscopic Vision
X-Ray Vision

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The following explanation above shows that Kryptonians work on a different biorhythm compared to that of Humans and Saiyans alike. So, your lack of knowledge in this department greatly wounded you.

As for the rest of the post...I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to prove, but it looks to be a desperate attempt to come off like a black rose. I swear DK, you are very determined to state your reasons based on faulty measures, but if you're coming to a debate without any real resources and distorted information, then you're really lucking yourself out of any shred of credibility.

Again with the childish baby insults huh. Well I said word for word survived in deep space so interpret that any way you want but anyone woth a fifth grad reading level would have caight my meaning. Whether it was from the power of his lungs or power of his energy as an extension of his mind it was still his power.
I also said we would have to agree on a source but since the cartoons are more easily comparable to me thats why I suggested it but you ignored it so you could have another vehicle of insult.
And if your goin to use the bullshit logic that Saiyans are just like humans despite their alien origin why arent you using the same logic with superman? Both humanoid beings capable of mating eith humans not to mention I recently saw a movie where Superman had an alternate origin landing in Russia instead of Kansas where after four million uears of evolution the inhabitants became the what know as kryptonians.
So based on your argument they are both similar to humans right?
And despite Superman not being able to ise his whole power he was still beaten down to a poimt where someone else had to fly him aeay to safety showing he doesnt do ot on his own either. Good side step on the Batman example btw. So lets conclude this the way you want to. Despite any logic or decent argument I might present dude you are right you are correct and I have nothin on you. Happy?

 

[The Dark King]

Again, surviving deep space? He was knocked unconscious from the blast from the planet exploding and guess what? He rode a pod which took him to some random planet, where he learned Instant Transmission. How is that something to Goku's credit? Basic animalistic survival trait? Yeah, like humans lack that.

The fact that you're getting a temper tantrum because you're having a hard time comprehending my posts only tells me what little you really have an idea what you're talking about.

When I speak of the alien origin of Saiyans, they aren't that much different from humans, minus the fact that they have higher muscle density and their planet has ten times the gravity to that of Earth. However, they aren't really THAT alien or different from the human body for numerous reasons. And this is where your logic falls and here's the explanation of Kryptonian physiology:

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Kryptonian Abilities
Kryptonian Physiology: A Kryptonians biology is far more advanced than that of Earth based humans where they are able to utilize energy in their body with far more direct and elaborate manners and even allows them to absorb and process sunlight some have even developed Super-powers which vary according to their native deimension. Kryptonians also have a healing factor that can heal any wond as long as the powers is not impeded by Kryptonite this healing factor is supplemented by stores of solar energy and gives immunity to Radiation and almost all Poisons and diseases aswell as an equilibrium that surpasses that of humans however they cannot consiously control it.


Kryptonian Abilities after absorbing yellow sunlight
Superhuman Strength
Superhuman Stamina
Superhuman Speed
Invulnerability
Flight
Super Hearing
Super Breath/Freeze Breath
Heat Vision
Electro-magnetic Spectrum Vision
Telescopic Vision
Microscopic Vision
X-Ray Vision

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The following explanation above shows that Kryptonians work on a different biorhythm compared to that of Humans and Saiyans alike. So, your lack of knowledge in this department greatly wounded you.

As for the rest of the post...I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to prove, but it looks to be a desperate attempt to come off like a black rose. I swear DK, you are very determined to state your reasons based on faulty measures, but if you're coming to a debate without any real resources and distorted information, then you're really lucking yourself out of any shred of credibility.

In Superman Red Son kryptonians evolved from humams much like humans evolving from apes. My point with Goku being able to survive deep space comes from the fact thqt Broly was able to do it as a baby with his power so one can easily assume that since Goku is more powerful he can do it to.

 

[Morning Star]

Once again you're not making a lick of sense and you're trying TOO hard to even build any validation given your lack of sources. All Kryptonians are humanoid in appearance, but the structure (biological), which in turn affects their physiology makes them different from that of humans. Reading is your friend.

And also, seeing that you've ignored my other post addressing Broly "surviving" in space, he had an energy barrier covering him, sort of like his own atmosphere made from his energy. So no, he cannot breathe in space, contrary to what's implied.

In Superman Red Son kryptonians evolved from humams much like humans evolving from apes. My point with Goku being able to survive deep space comes from the fact thqt Broly was able to do it as a baby with his power so one can easily assume that since Goku is more powerful he can do it to.

 

[The Dark King]

Once again you're not making a lick of sense and you're trying TOO hard to even build any validation given your lack of sources. All Kryptonians are humanoid in appearance, but the structure (biological), which in turn affects their physiology makes them different from that of humans. Reading is your friend.

And also, seeing that you've ignored my other post addressing Broly "surviving" in space, he had an energy barrier covering him, sort of like his own atmosphere made from his energy. So no, he cannot breathe in space, contrary to what's implied.

Lol ok I get it now youre pulling my chain. Carry on sir

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

It's a bit unfair to state that since the DC Universe has collided with the Marvel Universe on numerous occasions and in the Marvel universe, you have some characters who could be deemed hyper-exaggerated. Plus, there was a Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe game and that worked out extremely well, story arcs and all. So, it's not far fetched to pit the DC Universe and the Dragonball universe together, as long as there's a comprehensive story arc that can fit the characters together.

Now you're over thinking the fantasy scenario.

1. DC and Marvel are both comic universes and even with the small number of hyper exaggerated characters that are in both universes, both tend to not be on the same hyper exaggerated level as the animated Dragonball universe, so not an equal comparison.


2. Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe story/activities were primary confined to the "game universe" of Mortal Kombat with any comic related products also confined to that game, so again not an equal comparison.


3. Equal comparison from my POV for the Dragonball universe would be pit those characters against characters from Bleach or Naruto or any of the other animated series that have a lot of equal hyper exaggerated elements similar to Dragonball. Same as Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter or Tekken, Soul Caliber, DOA or similar games.

 

[Morning Star]

Immaturity get you nowhere.

Lol ok I get it now youre pulling my chain. Carry on sir

1. I'd beg to differ. In the Marvel Universe, there are a lot of more characters which have god-like powers and a lot more with the possession of reality warping of sorts. The Dragonball characters just have the ability to shoot energy from their bodies (or chi), which is pretty much how they fight. It's also worth noting Dragonball started off as a manga (comic) first from the Shonen Jump weekly publications.

2. It doesn't matter if the medium is a video game or comic or animation, the concept still applies. Again, a DC vs. Dragonball universe wouldn't be a far fetched idea.

3. All you which named belong to the Shonen Jump publications of manga for the most part, and there have been video game crossovers and even hentai related material. But within those universes, there would be some advantages and disadvantages as not all of the characters in them could really fight on the same level as say the DBZ characters, but there would be some "balance" in the universes coming together.

Perhaps you're more concentrated on the characters have some different style and may have the impression of being "superpowered" compared to say the western superheroes.

Conclusion: It's feasible to bring any of the universes together. It just takes some level of creativity.

Now you're over thinking the fantasy scenario.

1. DC and Marvel are both comic universes and even with the small number of hyper exaggerated characters that are in both universes, both tend to not be on the same hyper exaggerated level as the animated Dragonball universe, so not an equal comparison.


2. Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe story/activities were primary confined to the "game universe" of Mortal Kombat with any comic related products also confined to that game, so again not an equal comparison.


3. Equal comparison from my POV for the Dragonball universe would be pit those characters against characters from Bleach or Naruto or any of the other animated series that have a lot of equal hyper exaggerated elements similar to Dragonball. Same as Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter or Tekken, Soul Caliber, DOA or similar games.

 

[The Dark King]

Immaturity get you nowhere.



1. I'd beg to differ. In the Marvel Universe, there are a lot of more characters which have god-like powers and a lot more with the possession of reality warping of sorts. The Dragonball characters just have the ability to shoot energy from their bodies (or chi), which is pretty much how they fight. It's also worth noting Dragonball started off as a manga (comic) first from the Shonen Jump weekly publications.

2. It doesn't matter if the medium is a video game or comic or animation, the concept still applies. Again, a DC vs. Dragonball universe wouldn't be a far fetched idea.

3. All you which named belong to the Shonen Jump publications of manga for the most part, and there have been video game crossovers and even hentai related material. But within those universes, there would be some advantages and disadvantages as not all of the characters in them could really fight on the same level as say the DBZ characters, but there would be some "balance" in the universes coming together.

Perhaps you're more concentrated on the characters have some different style and may have the impression of being "superpowered" compared to say the western superheroes.

Conclusion: It's feasible to bring any of the universes together. It just takes some level of creativity.

Says the guy who makes a dick comment in nearly every thread. Gotcha lol

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

Conclusion: It's feasible to bring any of the universes together. It just takes some level of creativity.

I'm not disputing the feasibility of bringing any fictional universes together. What I'm disputing is the level of reality involved in the various universes. As an example : Marvel's Wolverine vs the Looney Tunes Tasmanian Devil. Sure you can find a creative way to bring them together and make that possible but what level of realism would be used? The sci-fi level of reality of Marvel Comics or the no holds bars over the top reality of the Looney Tunes? If using the Looney Tunes reality then the Tasmanian Devil should win because the Looney Tunes are indestructible for the most part even when faced with things that should/would kill them. So who would win??

 

[Morning Star]

But we're comparing superheroes to other superheroes, who's all about championing their own convictions using their powers. The Looney Tunes characters wouldn't really qualify since they serve as more like comic relief for an audience for a good laugh and would use "reality warping" as their means to not kill, but to entertain.

Goku is essentially the Superman archetype for Japan due to him being powerful. While the Dragonball series isn't considered "superhero" (then again, no anime genre actually define themselves as such, not even Astro Boy), they are still action heavy with a significant emphasis of people with power maintaining peace in some way or another. The realities can be intertwined similar to how MK vs. DC did, with some level of explanation of power fluctuation and power dispersion. It's a matter of marrying the worlds together in this respect.

I'm not disputing the feasibility of bringing any fictional universes together. What I'm disputing is the level of reality involved in the various universes. As an example : Marvel's Wolverine vs the Looney Tunes Tasmanian Devil. Sure you can find a creative way to bring them together and make that possible but what level of realism would be used? The sci-fi level of reality of Marvel Comics or the no holds bars over the top reality of the Looney Tunes? If using the Looney Tunes reality then the Tasmanian Devil should win because the Looney Tunes are indestructible for the most part even when faced with things that should/would kill them. So who would win??

 

[Morning Star]

You're one to talk buddy. I recall a while back a lot of women were quite disturbed by you saving pictures of them so you can produce your fetish movie on YouTube. Pot meets kettle.

And for the record, Andrae...if this is the only response to this post, it just means you don't have much of a leg to stand on from this point forth.

Smh. So you saved pictures of me? There is something truly wrong with you.
Seek therapy

 

[The Dark King]

You're one to talk buddy. I recall a while back a lot of women were quite disturbed by you saving pictures of them so you can produce your fetish movie on YouTube. Pot meets kettle.

And for the record, Andrae...if this is the only response to this post, it just means you don't have much of a leg to stand on from this point forth.

Dude what I did was copy and pasted pics that were still on here. I didn't save them you weirdo. And it was done out of affection not a childish retaliation to an online debate. So how about this you and I no longer speak. You creep me the fuck out real talk. We do not get along and you can never have a discussion without taking this shit to the gutter. So have a good life and good luck. Actually you might do what no other poster has been able to make me do and that's stop posting.

 

[Morning Star]

Affection aka Siphoning photos without their knowledge or consent. And that's much creepier. You saved them on file, which is how you were able to upload them to your movie maker program and post some porno music on there.

It's pretty sad that you're far too eager to come out like you're some know-it-all using half-assed rhetoric. I mean really kid? All the women you've basically belittled (and I'm sure you do that to your girlfriend and she put up with it) on here, and all of a sudden, the Black Hulk suddenly developed gout? Hehehe, well if you're fuming now, why not take that gun of yours and shoot me rookie?

Can you do it? Can you? Can you? CAN YOU?!

You've opened up Pandora's Box with me, and now you're getting what you've earned.

Dude what I did was copy and pasted pics that were still on here. I didn't save them you weirdo. And it was done out of affection not a childish retaliation to an online debate. So how about this you and I no longer speak. You creep me the fuck out real talk. We do not get along and you can never have a discussion without taking this shit to the gutter. So have a good life and good luck. Actually you might do what no other poster has been able to make me do and that's stop posting.

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

But we're comparing superheroes to other superheroes, who's all about championing their own convictions using their powers. The Looney Tunes characters wouldn't really qualify since they serve as more like comic relief for an audience for a good laugh and would use "reality warping" as their means to not kill, but to entertain.

Goku is essentially the Superman archetype for Japan due to him being powerful. While the Dragonball series isn't considered "superhero" (then again, no anime genre actually define themselves as such, not even Astro Boy), they are still action heavy with a significant emphasis of people with power maintaining peace in some way or another. The realities can be intertwined similar to how MK vs. DC did, with some level of explanation of power fluctuation and power dispersion. It's a matter of marrying the worlds together in this respect.

Now you're doing exactly what you're accusing DK of doing with his arguments. Any superhero from a hyper exaggerated reality will win over any superhero from a more grounded sci-fi reality because the hero from the hyper exaggerated reality will come across as more powerful because they perform at a more exaggerated level in powers and deeds. DK keeps saying that Superman can't beat Goku because he has faced any "world destroyers". Okay, since Goku and company are able to destroy worlds with a single energy blast that means they are more powerful than a cosmic level "world destroyer" like Galactus because even Galactus doesn't destroy worlds with as single blast even though I'm pretty sure if he built up enough energy and were willing to expend it in that fashion he could. Even Jean Grey as Dark Phoenix didn't destroy the one planet that she did with as single energy blast generated from her person. She dove into it's sun and feed off of it's energy causing it to go super nova.

 

[LibraPrincess]

Wow ok are we really going to act like immature children over Superman and Goku? I'll make it easy and sum it up like this:
1. Superman and Goku came from different planets, they both grew up on Earth, they discover their full hidden powers, and if there would a match, it would most likely be a draw. That's just me though.

2. Belittling at each other is not going to help. Just think about it--anytime there's an argument/debate, everyone is at their worst to achieve the win win title. Can't you two find some other harmless way to safely talking about two awesometacular super powered people?

DarkKing, instead of trying to make a point like a little brat, just leave it. Both Superman and Goku are great heroes so let's just leave it at that.

Majestic Saint, you're not off the hook here either. I honestly don't agree with you posting a picture of him beside Donkey Kong. That's a little immature on your part, as well. I love you, but sometimes, you gotta think of better and mature ways to settle arguments online.

Now that I said what I wanted to say, I'm going to make breakfast for myself and play some PS3.

 

[pettyofficerj]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01...-heroes-movie?abthid=50eb6129bf895795410000d8

 

[The Dark King]

Wow ok are we really going to act like immature children over Superman and Goku? I'll make it easy and sum it up like this:
1. Superman and Goku came from different planets, they both grew up on Earth, they discover their full hidden powers, and if there would a match, it would most likely be a draw. That's just me though.

2. Belittling at each other is not going to help. Just think about it--anytime there's an argument/debate, everyone is at their worst to achieve the win win title. Can't you two find some other harmless way to safely talking about two awesometacular super powered people?

DarkKing, instead of trying to make a point like a little brat, just leave it. Both Superman and Goku are great heroes so let's just leave it at that.

Majestic Saint, you're not off the hook here either. I honestly don't agree with you posting a picture of him beside Donkey Kong. That's a little immature on your part, as well. I love you, but sometimes, you gotta think of better and mature ways to settle arguments online.

Now that I said what I wanted to say, I'm going to make breakfast for myself and play some PS3.

Lol are you kidding? It was a friendly debate till your boy started slinging insults. You act like we arent free to disagree. I get that you want to appear even handed scolding us both equally but I wasn't the one who crossed the line and you know it. So save the lecture.

 

[LibraPrincess]

Lol are you kidding? It was a friendly debate till your boy started slinging insults. You act like we arent free to disagree. I get that you want to appear even handed scolding us both equally but I wasn't the one who crossed the line and you know it. So save the lecture.

When did I say you weren't allowed to disagree? Nowhere. I think you're a little confused, boy. I wasn't playing the blame game at either of you, either. You said immature things to which I will not repeat, and MS said some immature things that I also will not repeat. You though need to grow up and realize that your entitled to your own opinion and realize that you don't have to act like a dick about it. I'm not saying you do--just for future references.

 

[Morning Star]

That's not quite true. Yes, the characters from the DBZ Universe have the potential to destroy worlds, and some of them have done it, but it doesn't automatically translate to them being far more powerful. You have to remember, all of the characters in the DBZ Universe utilize energy or inner chi and the only real limitations are their own powers. Superman, Hulk, and other superpowered characters are capable of deflecting such energies, even if they are considered hyper-exaggerated.

Now you're doing exactly what you're accusing DK of doing with his arguments. Any superhero from a hyper exaggerated reality will win over any superhero from a more grounded sci-fi reality because the hero from the hyper exaggerated reality will come across as more powerful because they perform at a more exaggerated level in powers and deeds. DK keeps saying that Superman can't beat Goku because he has faced any "world destroyers". Okay, since Goku and company are able to destroy worlds with a single energy blast that means they are more powerful than a cosmic level "world destroyer" like Galactus because even Galactus doesn't destroy worlds with as single blast even though I'm pretty sure if he built up enough energy and were willing to expend it in that fashion he could. Even Jean Grey as Dark Phoenix didn't destroy the one planet that she did with as single energy blast generated from her person. She dove into it's sun and feed off of it's energy causing it to go super nova.

Gaslighting is a hell of a drug.

Lol are you kidding? It was a friendly debate till your boy started slinging insults. You act like we arent free to disagree. I get that you want to appear even handed scolding us both equally but I wasn't the one who crossed the line and you know it. So save the lecture.

 

[LibraPrincess]

Actually, no. Scratch that. I have an idea on how to calmly and maturely end the kiddy fight. Apologize to eachother (not to me!), forgive and forget. When we have talks about things that had to do with our favourite things, and if one disagrees, sometimes, there's a little monster in the back of our heads saying, "Show them wrong! Show them wrong!" and in the end, it sounded ludicrous.