TRUMP Thread

andreboba said:
Nah, modern dictatorships are all about eliminating people considered threats, maintaining loyalties among your inner circle by threatening their families and making sure your OWN family is involved in the ruling structure. And preserving close ties with the military.

I don't know why you think raw intellect is necessary to become a dictator. Men like Stalin and Hitler were masters of human psyche who understood how violence and fear opened the doors to power.

Saddam Hussein wasn't brilliant. He was a thug who seized and held power through brutality and murder.
Kim Jung Un is no great mind either. He was born to power and maintains it through military loyalties and murdering his rivals.

You can't really compare being a dictator of a country to being a mafia boss. There are too many links to power in a country that are benefited by a autocratic strongman leading the government.

Trump knows what it takes to become a dictator and every day he takes incremental steps to consolidate his power. Not saying Trump is going to be successful, but right now he's probably the most powerful POTUS we've ever had.
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Read this again. LOL

What do you think happens in the mafia?

The mafia is a government within a government. With that they have even more threats and it often requires even more savvy than dictators that have their own countries to govern.

You're talking to someone that has studied both. I don't make assumptions.

You consider Dotard a master of the human psyche?

Saddam was a crafty strong man, you weren't paying attention there. His biggest fault was not being a good military strategist but how he attained power and kept it was savvy.

Kin Jung Un is a false equivalence. His entire country has been brainwashed for many years. That's what religion does. It makes things easier for the ruling dictator.
 
andreboba said:
Since when is murder sophisticated??
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Dude dictators do it.

You really think murdering your enemies is that easy? They can kill you. Sure Beavis and Butthead can kill but there is a lot more than just murdering people.
There are many more factors. You have to get close to them for one. If you kill them before the right timing their allies could kill you. There is power dynamics, spy games, strategies, developing loyalties of others. ect....among politics and money.

If it was as simple as murder then the top hit men would always run the mafia, they didn't.

If you understood everything that Lucky had to do to become chairman of the mafia and reconstruct it and run the national crime syndicate, and run New York like a king. You would look back at this post and laugh.
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Bliss said:
How about you address your sorely lacking critical thinking skills.

That quick speech Obama gave before he golfed was that he was putting a cabinet together, NOT that he was declaring a National Emergency.
That day, he told people to not worry, just wash your hands and that's pretty much it...he did nothing different than what President Trump did prior to declaring a National Emergency.

Again, Obama did NOT declare A NATIONAL EMERGENCY until 6 months later and thousands of people had died.

So no, AB, this wasn't "drivel I ate up" because I followed the CDC timeline of everything that was done under his administration from the first report of the H1N1 outbreak until his N.E declaration 6 months later.

Here, if you don't believe me...

Obama declares H1N1 emergency
October 26, 2009 8:47 a.m. EDT

https://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/24/h1n1.obama/index.html
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Again, you don't READ.

Obama declared H1N2 a PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY on April 26, 2009, when there were only 20 swine cases nationwide and no deaths.
A couple days later he made a request to Congress for $7 bil in aid for a vaccine and research funding.

H1N1 was declared a global pandemic by the WHO on June 11, 2009.

Obama called H1N1 a public health emergency SIX WEEKS before the Word Health Organization called it a pandemic.

6 months later, Obama declared H1N1 a national emergency after 1000 Americans had died.

Regardless, what the fuck does ANY of this have to do with Trump and his response to the corona virus??

If Trump hadn't been running around earlier claiming COVID19 was a hoax perpetrated by Dems to hurt his reelection chances, people right now wouldn't be so critical of him.

Trump is the POTUS. He's the ONLY one responsible for finding a solution.
 
Beasty said:
Dude dictators do it.

You really think murdering your enemies is that easy? They can kill you. Sure Beavis and Butthead can kill but there is a lot more than just murdering people.
There are many more factors. You have to get close to them for one. If you kill them before the right timing their allies could kill you. There is power dynamics, spy games, strategies, developing loyalties of others. ect....among politics and money.

If it was as simple as murder then the top hit men would always run the mafia, they didn't.

If you understood everything that Lucky had to do to become chairman of the mafia and reconstruct it and run the national crime syndicate, and run New York like a king. You would look back at this post and laugh.
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Just saying, running a country without the luxury of murdering your political enemies is much harder than running a criminal syndicate.

I feel like you're elevating the mafia and organized crime into something they weren't.

They were nowhere near as powerful or influential as the drug cartels in Central and South America, which basically run some countries.
 
andreboba said:
Just saying, running a country without the luxury of murdering your political enemies is much harder than running a criminal syndicate.

I feel like you're elevating the mafia and organized crime into something they weren't.

They were nowhere near as powerful or influential as the drug cartels in Central and South America, which basically run some countries.
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Are you saying you can be a DICTATOR without murdering people????

Give me one example of that
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Beasty said:
Are you saying you can be a DICTATOR without murdering people????

Give me one example of that
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We were talking about whether or not Trump was 'smart' enough to be a dictator and somehow you brought the mafia into it.

My point is still the same, it doesn't take great intelligence to be a dictator because they're allowed to utilize a tool all democracies cannot, the ability to murder their rivals and citizens in general.

You forget that most dictators govern through fear, not intellect. I guarantee you more mobsters fear Gambino than respected him, and at the core of that fear was potential retaliation against them.

Trump knows how to use the weight of the federal government to make himself richer. He knows how to threaten other countries to get political dirt on his rivals.
He especially knows how to solicit help from a rival nation to help him win an election.

As of right now, Trump has made himself the most powerful POTUS we've ever had.

I think he could handle being a dictator.
 
andreboba said:
We were talking about whether or not Trump was 'smart' enough to be a dictator and somehow you brought the mafia into it.

My point is still the same, it doesn't take great intelligence to be a dictator because they're allowed to utilize a tool all democracies cannot, the ability to murder their rivals and citizens in general.

You forget that most dictators govern through fear, not intellect. I guarantee you more mobsters fear Gambino than respected him, and at the core of that fear was potential retaliation against them.

Trump knows how to use the weight of the federal government to make himself richer. He knows how to threaten other countries to get political dirt on his rivals.
He especially knows how to solicit help from a rival nation to help him win an election.

As of right now, Trump has made himself the most powerful POTUS we've ever had.

I think he could handle being a dictator.
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You couldn't answer the question. What dictator doesn't kill?

As a dictator 45 would have to kill people right here on American soil. That takes balls and smarts to pull off and survive, avoiding death and jail.

You down played the mafia while having no idea of how much money they made. Their economy was bigger than that of a small country. It's a government within a government.

This is about being a dictator. They all kill. It takes savvy to retain power as a dictator and 45 doesn't have it. He understands leverage but that's about all.
It takes much more than that.
 
andreboba said:
We were talking about whether or not Trump was 'smart' enough to be a dictator and somehow you brought the mafia into it.

My point is still the same, it doesn't take great intelligence to be a dictator because they're allowed to utilize a tool all democracies cannot, the ability to murder their rivals and citizens in general.

You forget that most dictators govern through fear, not intellect. I guarantee you more mobsters fear Gambino than respected him, and at the core of that fear was potential retaliation against them.

Trump knows how to use the weight of the federal government to make himself richer. He knows how to threaten other countries to get political dirt on his rivals.
He especially knows how to solicit help from a rival nation to help him win an election.

As of right now, Trump has made himself the most powerful POTUS we've ever had.

I think he could handle being a dictator.
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Why not both.

You're crazy.

Fear also comes from knowing that he wasn't a dumbass. Otherwise you could just have killed him. He wasn't immortal.


Bro you need to read more.
 
andreboba said:
Again, you don't READ.

Obama declared H1N2 a PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY on April 26, 2009, when there were only 20 swine cases nationwide and no deaths.
A couple days later he made a request to Congress for $7 bil in aid for a vaccine and research funding.

H1N1 was declared a global pandemic by the WHO on June 11, 2009.

Obama called H1N1 a public health emergency SIX WEEKS before the Word Health Organization called it a pandemic.

6 months later, Obama declared H1N1 a national emergency after 1000 Americans had died.

Regardless, what the fuck does ANY of this have to do with Trump and his response to the corona virus??

If Trump hadn't been running around earlier claiming COVID19 was a hoax perpetrated by Dems to hurt his reelection chances, people right now wouldn't be so critical of him.

Trump is the POTUS. He's the ONLY one responsible for finding a solution.
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Not to mention that the mortality rate for H1N1 is much, much lower than the mortality rate for COVID-19. Whenever people pull the whataboutism card out of their asses, they always seem to leave that part out. Same goes for the flu, which also has a lower mortality rate than COVID-19.
 
The liberal media once again being biased by *checks notes* letting Donald Trump speak in front a microphone to reporters by answering questions.

If only Trump put half as much effort into actually doing his job as he does blaming other people for his failures...

 
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Beasty said:
You couldn't answer the question. What dictator doesn't kill?

As a dictator 45 would have to kill people right here on American soil. That takes balls and smarts to pull off and survive, avoiding death and jail.

You down played the mafia while having no idea of how much money they made. Their economy was bigger than that of a small country. It's a government within a government.

This is about being a dictator. They all kill. It takes savvy to retain power as a dictator and 45 doesn't have it. He understands leverage but that's about all.
It takes much more than that.
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Trump is on his way to becoming a pure autocrat, not a classic dictator, unless he found a way to dissolve Congress and void the U.S> Constitution.
I just don't think he could consolidate enough power behind him to become a
Bliss said:
Thank you Mr. President, the liberal and Democrat run mainstream media will never report this.
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Keep spinning the bullshit.

Trump: Keep ’Em On the Ship. I Don’t Want Our Coronavirus Numbers To Go Up.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...i-dont-want-our-coronavirus-numbers-to-go-up/
 
andreboba said:
Trump is on his way to becoming a pure autocrat, not a classic dictator, unless he found a way to dissolve Congress and void the U.S> Constitution.
I just don't think he could consolidate enough power behind him to become a


Keep spinning the bullshit.

Trump: Keep ’Em On the Ship. I Don’t Want Our Coronavirus Numbers To Go Up.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...i-dont-want-our-coronavirus-numbers-to-go-up/
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Back on March 6th, the virus was infecting China and Italy in record numbers.

This is why he had flights from China restricted.
He got enormous flack from Dems for restricting Chinese Nationals from coming into the country in late January. (One million had already come in for Chinese New Year).

Obviously, back then, the Port was not equipped to handle the influx of coronavirus patients.

So of course he didn't want a doubling of increased patient numbers - why would he? Why would any country at the time? They were being quarantined on the ship.

Yet despite that, if you listen to him, he said it was up to the city to take them in or not. He respected that. The city/ies declined. I believe it was California.

We are now much better equipped to receive and as he stated, by following STRICT medical protocols.
The two ships are now allowed to dock that NO OTHER country has allowed. NONE.
Next is letting them come on shore.

Be appreciative. Unless you think we should let them stay out to sea for more months?
 
President Trump just announced at his press conference that Apple informed him they have begun producing plastic face masks for nurses and doctors at a million per week.
And that 3M has informed the President that they will now be making 55.5 million masks a month for Americans.
 
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