The Dark King
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You think an oppressed people will make that differentiation? Especially when the national sentiment never does? He needs the Latin vote to win Texas Florida California and most likely Arizona
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You think an oppressed people will make that differentiation? Especially when the national sentiment never does? He needs the Latin vote to win Texas Florida California and most likely Arizona
archangel
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There is no way you can jump to illegal from that. Put yourself into to a legal mexican-american's shoes. What are you going to get from that?
Bliss
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You ain't lying, Since. You reminded me of this comment l read elsewhere...
"There's a real suspicion that Trump is a Democratic mole as he:
1) favors abortion rights and universal health insurance,
2) proposes ¬paying off the national debt and keeping Soc. Sec. afloat by imposing a 14.25% tax on the wealthy (over $10M net worth) which would raise $5.7 trillion and wipe out the debt in one fell swoop.
3) supports a middle class tax cut,
4) donated $100,000 to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaigns,
5) made 54% of his political contributions in the last 10 years to Democrats,
6) invited Bill and Hillary to one of his three weddings."
Peach State Scholar
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I am actually starting to wonder if he's a plant. But he'll probably end up like Herman Cain and Michelle Bachmann etc. and eventually start to slip toward the bottom of the pack before the race gets really serious.
EDIT: Although when it comes to abortion rights, gay marriage, climate change, and capital punishment his platform is more conservative than liberal. And apparently he isn't a fan of the ACA so unless he's all about single-payer then he may not be that supportive of universal health care after all: http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
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Archman
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.....Well if Trump is a Democratic mole it would serve as one of the greatest bamboozles of all time ....the logic however is not consistent with his contempt for Democratic President Obama over the past 6 years. .....
Peach State Scholar
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True, plus he did go full-on birther a few years ago, before the last election. That's about as right-wing loony as you can get.
Bliss
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Excuse me, but you barely ever have to search for citations with me, because 9/10 I provide them ...but when it comes out of the horse's mouth I usually don't bother. Who cares If I get a quote from a non-liberal-biased website....if liberal news sites bothered to report it in the first place, l would then cite them, l really DGAF who provides me with the facts.
I don't know or really care what Briebart did (isn't he dead???), the Google search linked to that site...besides, you really have no place to speak when earlier you posted that Harry Reid can leave with his head held high...knowing full well he lied about Mitt Romney's taxes and aided in him losing an election.
Secondly, I read the document Guterriez created earlier, and It is not for immigrants with green cards - it is for people here illegally, he said so himself.."Even though you cannot apply yet for these programs, you can still prepare,” a message from Gutierrez contained in the pamphlet explains..
(in Spanish btw, not Chinese, not Russian, not Swahili, not Arabic...why not?)
Now, if you think he isn't pushing for Amnesty for illegal HISPANIC aliens, particularly for his own selfish reasons, then we can end this conversation here.
He also IS gunning for votes in his speech...He said himself "time to become American citizens and vote the Republicans out." Go reread it. He likely doesn't give two shits that for many green card holders, unless they qualify for dual citizenry, they forfeit their birth country's citizenship once they become a U.S citizen. Many people don't want to surrender that.
So he really doesn't care about what they'd want, only what he wants.Their vote. Their vote, to keep him In his career and accustomed lifestyle.
flaminghetero
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You finally put Archangel out of his misery.
archangel
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Here is the full quote
“If you qualify for expanded DACA or the new DAPA program that were announced by the President on November 20, 2014, please use this toolkit to protect yourself from deportation. Even though you cannot apply yet for these programs, you can still prepare,”
always check the source.
archangel
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I said he could have his head held high in relation to the affordable care act.
You are going on another one of your tangents like you did with the poor post.
The reason why it is important to pull it from non-bias sources is because bias sources tend to lean towards their agendas. You know this.
Here is the quote:
“If you qualify for expanded DACA or the new DAPA program that were announced by the President on November 20, 2014, please use this toolkit to protect yourself from deportation. Even though you cannot apply yet for these programs, you can still prepare,”
His comment was directed to the people who qualify for the DACA and DAPA.
:smt012 You've cut that out of context.
You are aware that he is a politician, right?
Politicians are all gunning for votes in their speech. That's the point. They are all doing it for their selfish reason. I don't think Donald Trump really gives two craps about illegal immigration. He is doing it to be president. I posted that video where he really didn't look to hard to find who is illegal within the people that he hired.
I also don't understand why it is a problem that you forfeit your birth Country's citizenship. You need to be loyal!!!!!! There should not be any in between. My mother and father have one citizenship.
I pledge allegiance to the United State of America!!!!!!
If they don't want to place allegiance then they need to go back to whatever country that they want to pledge allegiance to. :smt012
Bliss
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Which part of here ILLEGALLY don't you understand? They can NOT yet apply. Which is EXACTLY as l posted.
You don't need any other information but to know we have MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS with no vetting, and no documents running around unnacounted for, given toolkits on "HOW TO STAY HERE" until the magic day arrives, when they MIGHT be able to stay.I
BULLSHIT. They should be told by OUR POLITICIANS to go home like millions of other people do without trying to buck the system...
Go to the back of the waiting line...and like all law-abiding respectful Applicants.... Apply when you qualify.
Until then you don't get to run around in another country for years.
Name me one other country in the world that you can do that?
DACA
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals is an American immigration policy that allows certain
.DAPA
Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, sometimes called Deferred Action for Parental Accountability, is a planned American immigration policy which would grant deferred action status to certain illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States since 2010 and have children who are American citizens or lawful permanent residents. Deferred action is not full legal status, but in this case would come with a three-year, renewable work permit and exemption from deportation.
archangel
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I don't have a problem with illegally. I have a part where you show me a quote where illegal is literally in his quote. That's the problem.
This is not about illegal. I have addressed that I am not for illegal immigration. This is about you taking that quote out of context and misinterpreting it. I specifically posted the whole quote so people could understand who he was addressing. You took the part you like so that you could wrap it to say something else.
Let me finish for you from the source you got it from
At the program's start, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible.[1] As of June 2014, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has granted DACA status to about 581,000 individuals and denied to about 24,000
Seems like you can apply and get status.:smt012
DAPA, I pointed out the Injunction. That pamphlet is a mess.
This is not about illegal. I have addressed that I am not for illegal immigration. This is about you taking that quote out of context and misinterpreting it. I specifically posted the whole quote so people could understand who he was addressing. You took the part you like so that you could wrap it to say something else.
Let me finish for you from the source you got it from
At the program's start, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible.[1] As of June 2014, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has granted DACA status to about 581,000 individuals and denied to about 24,000
Seems like you can apply and get status.:smt012
DAPA, I pointed out the Injunction. That pamphlet is a mess.
orejon4
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The overwhelming majority of illegal immigration is unskilled. Skilled labor has access to a whole host of legal mechanisms that allow them privileged access to the country, like the visa Bliss brought up a few pages ago. I agree with your statement that corporations use them to undercut the wage floor in this market. The free reign given business by our purchased legislature and government generally needs to end.
I don't think Trump is a plant at all. I think he simply represents a certain strain of far-right racism and xenophobia along with an intense narcissism and sense of entitlement. Planting someone in a race can land you in serious ish. I've seen people go upstate for 6 mos - 2 years for doing that in an insignificant local race, so pulling it off at the presidential level is highly unlikely.
It looks like Texas has decided to climb aboard the unconstitutional xenophobia train: https://www.texasobserver.org/children-of-immigrants-denied-citizenship/
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Bliss
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What do mean, "This not about illegal"? :smt017 Yes Arch, yes it is.
You claim the reason you added the surplus text to my quote was "so others could understand who he was addressing"?
There was no need though - we KNOW who he was addressing. I told you who. He told you who. Illegals!
What is wrong with you that you can't comprehend that?
Once again, and tor the last time now...Gutierrez is PRO AMNESTY. Do you understand what that means? It means he wants to give permanent sanctuary to illegals.
So now do you understand the pamphlet he made is for illegals? Because if you don't, he says it right there in the pamphlet... which l showed you.: "Even though you cannot apply yet for these programs, you can still prepare,”
And what are the programs he's referring to, Arch? DACA and DAPA.
And who was DACA and DAPA created for? That's right..for illegals. Which I've shown you.
Therefore when I say to you that he is NOT speaking to green card holders, which you inferred,
and that he is not for legal immigration, which you said he was, and that it's right there in his pamphlet that he's SPEAKING to illegals, believe it. You need to take him at his word.
So don't sit here and tell me that I took it out of context. I took nothing out of context. You don't need any of the surplus wording to prove his point, which is why l didn't need to show you to further explain that he's talking to illegals.. That he made the pamphlet for illegals. And that he's showing illegals how to stay in this country with a kit.
Enough already.
I remembered that.
This is just an ego thang for trump.
Like a new toy for a kid....he will play with it for a sec then it get lost in the toy box and all forgotten
flaminghetero
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You, are on the wrong side of the border.
Your grease suckin' ass should be in ol' messico.
flaminghetero
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Mexicans are very racist and xenophobic.
Sanctuary cities for wetbacks is unconstitutional.
Illegals severely hurt skilled workers.